Re: MD On Faith

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Oct 08 2004 - 20:53:30 BST

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    Hi Horse

    Surely we have seen terrible secular
    ideologies full of scientism and eugenics
    in the 20th century. It is only in memory of
    these tragedies that a scientific outlook
    can avoid & resist the temptation to lose contact with
    the humanity it needs to inspire rather than obscure.
    But can science inspire humanity? Does it deliver
    community and shared values? Or does it deliver
    techno-fantasies where people live in luxurious
    house-prisons? Where more & more adults
    seem to be more & more like children? Unless
    perhaps we can find that human beings have got more
    in common with something like DQ than well
    made mechanisms.

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Horse" <horse@darkstar.uk.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:16 AM
    Subject: RE: MD On Faith

    > Hi Platt
    >
    > On 7 Oct 2004 at 7:14, Platt Holden wrote:
    >
    > > Hi Horse,
    > >
    > > > On 6 Oct 2004 at 16:40, Platt Holden wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > So what was the atom bomb? As I recall, scientists created it. Not
    to
    > > > > mention intercontinental missiles and chemical/biological weapons.
    > >
    > > > So you're saying that scientists design and build WMD either to
    silence
    > > > those who have competing scientific views or who threaten the
    scientific
    > > > world view?
    > >
    > > No. I'm saying scientists are no less prone to killing their fellow
    human
    > > beings than any other group,
    >
    > Really? I haven't noticed any recent occurrences of fundamentalist
    biologists flying
    > aircraft into large buildings. Nor have we witnessed suicide bomber
    chemistry
    > professors wreaking havoc in the name of Darwin or Newton.
    >
    > > and will rightfully join others who kill to
    > > preserve their freedom to pursue their scientific world view.
    >
    > Again, I'n not aware of any examples of wars fought to force the theory of
    evolution on
    > other societies.
    >
    > > The quote from Dawkins expressed a holier-than-thou attitude typical of
    > > know-it-all scientists. That's what got me riled.
    >
    > I think Dawkins main point is that the in the struggle for the dominance
    of science the
    > main weapon has been argument and not violence. The history of religion
    shows just the
    > opposite. Something to be proud of and not denigrated.
    >
    >
    > Horse
    >
    >
    >
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