Re: MD On Faith

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sat Oct 09 2004 - 21:02:26 BST

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    David,
    Agreed - which is why I do indeed criticise Dawkins for being a hide-bound
    SOMist.
    There are neo-Darwinists and there are neo-neo-Darwinists (aka MoQites)

    It's the scientific wrapping that's wrong, not the essence of the Darwinian
    metaphor, which is in fact infinitely mote interesting beyond biology in the
    social / intellectual / cultural realms.
    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:10 PM
    Subject: Re: MD On Faith

    > Ian
    >
    > I cannot imagine a dispute with the reality of evolution,
    > but you never know, on the other hand,
    > how anyone who knows of the MOQ,
    > can consider neo-Darwinist attempts
    > to tell the story of evolution in pseudo-mechanist
    > terms, anything other than SOM house-bound and unconvincing
    > I also find hard to imagine.
    >
    > DM
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:25 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD On Faith
    >
    >
    > > What - I'm no Dawkins fan, but Scott, surely there are still not people
    > > trying to suggest Darwinian evolution is not a credible fit with the
    > > objective science. I've been round this cycle several times already even
    > in
    > > my time on this board. Science is great in its place, and biology is a
    > good
    > > place for it.
    > > Ian
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:19 AM
    > > Subject: RE: MD On Faith
    > >
    > >
    > > > Mark et al,
    > > >
    > > > > msh says:
    > > > > Yep. And people who spend a lot of energy downplaying the value of
    > > > > science, math, and logic are to me always suspect. Robert Duvall,
    > > > > the great American actor, was once asked what he thought about movie
    > > > > critics. He said: "Show me a critic and I'll show you a failure."
    > > > > His meaning is clear, and applies to critics of science, math and
    > > > > logic. I think it's time to start checking college transcripts.
    > > >
    > > > Couldn't agree more about those who downplay the value of science,
    math,
    > > > and logic, but no one in this thread has. Though I think it is
    > overstated,
    > > > Platt's point is that scientists also operate within a faith
    structure.
    > > >
    > > > Dawkins is not defending science so much as promoting scientific
    > > > materialism. Gathering the evidence for evolution is science. Claiming
    > > that
    > > > evolution has happened solely through chance and natural selection is
    > > > metaphysics.
    > > >
    > > > - Scott
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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