Re: MD A bit of reasoning

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 10 2004 - 15:11:01 BST

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    From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
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    Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning

    > well, it's very hard to see past all the SQ is it not?
    >
    >
    > DM
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Charles Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:31 AM
    > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
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    > > But isn't that the whole point?
    > >
    > > By the time these experiences and/or ideas are expressed in words or
    > > any other form of communication, they are, in effect, SQ!
    > >
    > > The Tao that can be expressed in words is not the true Tao.
    > >
    > > Or something to that effect.
    > >
    > > Wave on!
    > >
    > > Chuck
    > >
    > > On Oct 8, 2004, at 1:07 PM, David Morey wrote:
    > >
    > > > I agree here with Scott, if you could understand
    > > > the relationship between SQ and DQ in language
    > > > you could probably apply this to the whole cosmos.
    > > > What we think of as experience is entirely artefacts/signs
    > > > as invented and used to make patterns of all the flux of
    > > > infleunces acting on our bodies from the outside.
    > > >
    > > > DM
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    > > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:19 AM
    > > > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >> Mel,
    > > >>
    > > >> [Skipping a great deal, but I've fallen too far behind, so I just
    > > >> want to
    > > >> mention...]
    > > >>
    > > >>> mel:
    > > >>> To discuss MoQ in language will trap us in SOM.
    > > >>> To look for MoQ outside of language makes it
    > > >>> incompatible with a pholosophical approach.
    > > >>>
    > > >>
    > > >> I think there is an answer to this dilemma in ceasing to look on
    > > >> language
    > > >> as just a tool (which I consider a SOM limitation) and concentrate on
    > > >> language itself. Not in what it describes, nor studying its syntax,
    > > >> semantics, and pragmatics (not that that is uninteresting), but
    > > >> looking
    > > >> into its conditions of possibility, and seeing it as a microcosm of
    > > >> the
    > > >> macrocosm.
    > > >>
    > > >> Oh yes, a reference for the logic of contradictory identity: The
    > > >> Nothingness Beyond God: An Introduction to the Philosophy of Nishida
    > > >> Kitaro, by Robert E. Carter.
    > > >>
    > > >> - Scott
    > > >>
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