From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Fri Oct 15 2004 - 03:28:20 BST
Geez, Ian. What's got your knickers in a twist?
I'm confused by your message below because your reference to my
"preaching" and "all you Christians" seem to be directed at me. Not
only am I not a Christian, I'm not even a theist. I'm not an atheist
or agnostic, either. I guess I'm sort of hyperagnostic in that I
don't even understand what it is I'm supposed to believe in or not
believe in.
On the other hand, I'm not sure I understand your vehemence toward
people discussing ideas of faith here, as they very often revolve
around ideas in the MOQ. If these discussions upset you, can't you
just set your mail reader to filter them out?
My experience in life, so far, is that even people who claim to
belive in God, if asked enough questions, reveal an ignorance similar
if not identical to my own. It could very well be that Scott and Sam
and others who offer their ideas here will be able to show me
otherwise, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear them.
Regards,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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On 14 Oct 2004 at 13:32, Ian Glendinning wrote:
As to your point aimed at me - "bad logic" ???
In the real world logic is bad full stop - has been my consistent
thesis for several years. Don't start preaching to me.
Unfortunately for all you Christians, the sanctimonious B**s
currently leading our nations both declare their faith in your god.
I'm neutral on this as I've declared constantly. I prefer reality -
the MoQ or thought patterns of that ilk. I avoid your mystical god
and Dawkins' god of objective scientific logic with equal passion.
That will include avoiding this MoQ discussion board in future if the
reliogious zealots don't leave off posting their religious claptrap
at every opportunity. There are plenty of other discussion forums
where we can get that.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: MD On Faith
> Hi all,
>
> You may remember a while back that DMB and I were trying to
convince
> someone (Ian, I think) that bad logic can be very dangerous in the
> real world. Take a look at the following line of reasoning:
>
> "Dawkins supports a belief system which denies the existence of
God.
> Communism and humanism are belief systems that also deny the
> existence of God. Godless belief systems have slaughtered millions
> to impose their belief systems on others. ... That's why I objected
> to Dawkins' sanctimonious support of his pagan belief system."
>
> msh says:
> Now, imagine a world in which people who reason in this way
actually
> have political and military power.
>
> Actually, sadly, it's not hard to imagine...
>
> Best,
> msh
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> everything." -- Henri Poincare'
>
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