From: Simon Magson (twix_570@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 19 2004 - 09:04:11 BST
'Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so
mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers
have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of
God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,"
says God "proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not
have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own
arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a
puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black
is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.'
Douglas Adams, 1979
>From: "David Morey" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: Re: MD is god real?
>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:28:35 +0100
>
>Hi
>
>I like this challenge, I think the reality
>of god is unavoidable. Let's have your questions...
>
>DM
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:28 AM
>Subject: Re: MD On Faith
>
>
> > Geez, Ian. What's got your knickers in a twist?
> >
> > I'm confused by your message below because your reference to my
> > "preaching" and "all you Christians" seem to be directed at me. Not
> > only am I not a Christian, I'm not even a theist. I'm not an atheist
> > or agnostic, either. I guess I'm sort of hyperagnostic in that I
> > don't even understand what it is I'm supposed to believe in or not
> > believe in.
> >
> > On the other hand, I'm not sure I understand your vehemence toward
> > people discussing ideas of faith here, as they very often revolve
> > around ideas in the MOQ. If these discussions upset you, can't you
> > just set your mail reader to filter them out?
> >
> > My experience in life, so far, is that even people who claim to
> > belive in God, if asked enough questions, reveal an ignorance similar
> > if not identical to my own. It could very well be that Scott and Sam
> > and others who offer their ideas here will be able to show me
> > otherwise, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear them.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
> > --
> > InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors
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> >
> > "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
> > everything." -- Henri Poincare'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Oct 2004 at 13:32, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> >
> > As to your point aimed at me - "bad logic" ???
> > In the real world logic is bad full stop - has been my consistent
> > thesis for several years. Don't start preaching to me.
> >
> > Unfortunately for all you Christians, the sanctimonious B**s
> > currently leading our nations both declare their faith in your god.
> > I'm neutral on this as I've declared constantly. I prefer reality -
> > the MoQ or thought patterns of that ilk. I avoid your mystical god
> > and Dawkins' god of objective scientific logic with equal passion.
> >
> > That will include avoiding this MoQ discussion board in future if the
> > reliogious zealots don't leave off posting their religious claptrap
> > at every opportunity. There are plenty of other discussion forums
> > where we can get that.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: MD On Faith
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > You may remember a while back that DMB and I were trying to
> > convince
> > > someone (Ian, I think) that bad logic can be very dangerous in the
> > > real world. Take a look at the following line of reasoning:
> > >
> > > "Dawkins supports a belief system which denies the existence of
> > God.
> > > Communism and humanism are belief systems that also deny the
> > > existence of God. Godless belief systems have slaughtered millions
> > > to impose their belief systems on others. ... That's why I objected
> > > to Dawkins' sanctimonious support of his pagan belief system."
> > >
> > > msh says:
> > > Now, imagine a world in which people who reason in this way
> > actually
> > > have political and military power.
> > >
> > > Actually, sadly, it's not hard to imagine...
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > msh
> > > --
> > > InfoPro Consulting - The Professional Information Processors
> > > Custom Software Solutions for Windows, PDAs, and the Web Since 1983
> > > Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com
> > >
> > > "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
> > > everything." -- Henri Poincare'
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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