From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 18 2004 - 19:28:16 BST
Good start but pretty easy...
God is that which underlies all definition.
regards
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Roghair" <ctr@pacificpartssales.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: MD is god real?
> Define "God."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
> On Behalf Of David Morey
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 3:29 AM
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD is god real?
>
> Hi
>
> I like this challenge, I think the reality
> of god is unavoidable. Let's have your questions...
>
> DM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:28 AM
> Subject: Re: MD On Faith
>
>
>> Geez, Ian. What's got your knickers in a twist?
>>
>> I'm confused by your message below because your reference to my
>> "preaching" and "all you Christians" seem to be directed at me. Not
>> only am I not a Christian, I'm not even a theist. I'm not an atheist
>> or agnostic, either. I guess I'm sort of hyperagnostic in that I
>> don't even understand what it is I'm supposed to believe in or not
>> believe in.
>>
>> On the other hand, I'm not sure I understand your vehemence toward
>> people discussing ideas of faith here, as they very often revolve
>> around ideas in the MOQ. If these discussions upset you, can't you
>> just set your mail reader to filter them out?
>>
>> My experience in life, so far, is that even people who claim to
>> belive in God, if asked enough questions, reveal an ignorance similar
>> if not identical to my own. It could very well be that Scott and Sam
>> and others who offer their ideas here will be able to show me
>> otherwise, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear them.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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>> "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
>> everything." -- Henri Poincare'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 Oct 2004 at 13:32, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>
>> As to your point aimed at me - "bad logic" ???
>> In the real world logic is bad full stop - has been my consistent
>> thesis for several years. Don't start preaching to me.
>>
>> Unfortunately for all you Christians, the sanctimonious B**s
>> currently leading our nations both declare their faith in your god.
>> I'm neutral on this as I've declared constantly. I prefer reality -
>> the MoQ or thought patterns of that ilk. I avoid your mystical god
>> and Dawkins' god of objective scientific logic with equal passion.
>>
>> That will include avoiding this MoQ discussion board in future if the
>> reliogious zealots don't leave off posting their religious claptrap
>> at every opportunity. There are plenty of other discussion forums
>> where we can get that.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
>> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: MD On Faith
>>
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > You may remember a while back that DMB and I were trying to
>> convince
>> > someone (Ian, I think) that bad logic can be very dangerous in the
>> > real world. Take a look at the following line of reasoning:
>> >
>> > "Dawkins supports a belief system which denies the existence of
>> God.
>> > Communism and humanism are belief systems that also deny the
>> > existence of God. Godless belief systems have slaughtered millions
>> > to impose their belief systems on others. ... That's why I objected
>> > to Dawkins' sanctimonious support of his pagan belief system."
>> >
>> > msh says:
>> > Now, imagine a world in which people who reason in this way
>> actually
>> > have political and military power.
>> >
>> > Actually, sadly, it's not hard to imagine...
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > msh
>> > --
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>> > Web Site: http://www.infoproconsulting.com
>> >
>> > "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
>> > everything." -- Henri Poincare'
>> >
>>
>>
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