RE: MD is god real?

From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Mon Oct 18 2004 - 17:20:29 BST

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    Define "God."

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    On Behalf Of David Morey
    Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 3:29 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: Re: MD is god real?

    Hi

    I like this challenge, I think the reality
    of god is unavoidable. Let's have your questions...

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:28 AM
    Subject: Re: MD On Faith

    > Geez, Ian. What's got your knickers in a twist?
    >
    > I'm confused by your message below because your reference to my
    > "preaching" and "all you Christians" seem to be directed at me. Not
    > only am I not a Christian, I'm not even a theist. I'm not an atheist
    > or agnostic, either. I guess I'm sort of hyperagnostic in that I
    > don't even understand what it is I'm supposed to believe in or not
    > believe in.
    >
    > On the other hand, I'm not sure I understand your vehemence toward
    > people discussing ideas of faith here, as they very often revolve
    > around ideas in the MOQ. If these discussions upset you, can't you
    > just set your mail reader to filter them out?
    >
    > My experience in life, so far, is that even people who claim to
    > belive in God, if asked enough questions, reveal an ignorance similar
    > if not identical to my own. It could very well be that Scott and Sam
    > and others who offer their ideas here will be able to show me
    > otherwise, and I appreciate the opportunity to hear them.
    >
    >
    > Regards,
    > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
    > --
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    >
    > "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
    > everything." -- Henri Poincare'
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On 14 Oct 2004 at 13:32, Ian Glendinning wrote:
    >
    > As to your point aimed at me - "bad logic" ???
    > In the real world logic is bad full stop - has been my consistent
    > thesis for several years. Don't start preaching to me.
    >
    > Unfortunately for all you Christians, the sanctimonious B**s
    > currently leading our nations both declare their faith in your god.
    > I'm neutral on this as I've declared constantly. I prefer reality -
    > the MoQ or thought patterns of that ilk. I avoid your mystical god
    > and Dawkins' god of objective scientific logic with equal passion.
    >
    > That will include avoiding this MoQ discussion board in future if the
    > reliogious zealots don't leave off posting their religious claptrap
    > at every opportunity. There are plenty of other discussion forums
    > where we can get that.
    >
    > Ian
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:30 PM
    > Subject: RE: MD On Faith
    >
    >
    > > Hi all,
    > >
    > > You may remember a while back that DMB and I were trying to
    > convince
    > > someone (Ian, I think) that bad logic can be very dangerous in the
    > > real world. Take a look at the following line of reasoning:
    > >
    > > "Dawkins supports a belief system which denies the existence of
    > God.
    > > Communism and humanism are belief systems that also deny the
    > > existence of God. Godless belief systems have slaughtered millions
    > > to impose their belief systems on others. ... That's why I objected
    > > to Dawkins' sanctimonious support of his pagan belief system."
    > >
    > > msh says:
    > > Now, imagine a world in which people who reason in this way
    > actually
    > > have political and military power.
    > >
    > > Actually, sadly, it's not hard to imagine...
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > msh
    > > --
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    > > "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
    > > everything." -- Henri Poincare'
    > >
    >
    >
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