Re: MD On Faith

From: Scott Roberts (
Date: Wed Oct 27 2004 - 18:13:47 BST

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    Mark, Erin,

    > On 26 Oct 2004 at 22:49, Erin wrote:
    > All sounds reasonable but I never thought the empirical label applied
    > to the resurrection.
    > msh says:
    > I know. I used that example in response to the nonsense (presented
    > elsewhere in this thread) that empiricism requires us to believe in
    > resurrection because someone says they've experienced it.

    [Scott:] Umm. I don't recall anyone saying this. Who did?

    > erin:
    > I was trying to understand if it really applied to Quality/values.
    > Would you do this reasoning step-by-step for empirical evidence for
    > Quality/values the way you did it for no empirical evidence for the
    > resurrection.
    > msh says:
    > I'll try. When you pick the pair of shoes that don't give you
    > blisters, you are making your decision based on your experience of
    > Quality. To use an example offered by Pirsig, when you decide to
    > hang a painting rather than look at the bare wall, your decision is
    > rooted in your perception that the painting is of higher artistic
    > quality than the unadorned wall.

    [Scott:] And so on. I think Pirsig's point is that *everyone* experiences
    value, just as everyone (except those with disabilities)sees, hears,
    touches, etc. So you might say that there is a "sense" of value. This is
    what entitles value to be treated as empirical, and usable to make
    metaphysical points. This does not, of course, imply that everyone values
    the same things, but the purpose of the MOQ is to show that we can find
    some general rules for what is more valuable than what, even if these rules
    do not decide every issue.

    - Scott

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