From: Mari (mld2001@adelphia.net)
Date: Thu Jan 23 2003 - 13:17:03 GMT
Horse, You should be a lawyer! Not only do you manage this site and archive
all this stuff but you find whatever it is your looking for when you need
to. And defend youself too!
Damn your good!
:-) Mari
----- Original Message -----
From: "Horse" <horse@darkstar.uk.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: MD Absolutely objective
> I've tried several times to send this. Perhaps this time.....
>
> Hi Glenn
>
> I'm extremely busy at the moment with some site related tasks but I
thought I'd get this
> thing out of the way as it's a distraction from the rest of the post.
>
> On 20 Jan 2003 at 0:06, Glenn Bradford wrote:
>
> > Also, he asked you to either remove his essay about emotivism from your
> > site or cite him as the author at the top or bottom of it. So far you
> > have done neither.
>
> Given that you have the post URL it would have bee quite easy to have seen
the other
> posts related to this issue in the moq_focus archive. These show the full
story of what
> happened regarding the emotivism essay. I assume that Struan has forgotten
the events
> and no longer has the emails that passed between us. Never mind. Anyway...
>
>
> On 10 Jan 2003 at 20:02, Struan wrote:
>
> > Horse decided to post it to the forum without my permission and without
> > giving me credit for it, presumably by cutting and pasting it after I
> > passed on a transcription of one of my undergraduate exam answers to a
> > news group. I found this doing a 'Google' search for 'Ayer' & 'Emotion'
> > and am pretty annoyed to see it there with a credit at the bottom saying
> > 'moq.org'. Although I was aware that Horse had used this essay (without
> > my permission), I stupidly presumed that he would, at the very least,
> > acknowledge its source, either immediately before or immediately after
> > the body of work, and I urge him to do so now or remove it from his
> > site. Horse has the audacity to accuse Glenn of 'intellectual dishonesty
> > of the worst kind', yet here he is stealing my intellectual property.
> > Outrageous!
>
>
>
> At the end of my post to the MF forum on 4 July 2000:
>
> http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/0007/0010.html
>
> there appears the following from me
>
> "As there seems to be an amount of confusion over what is meant by
'Emotivism', I've
> also supplied an excellent essay/critique on Emotivism in a seperate post.
I can't for the
> life of me remember where it came from or who wrote it."
>
> At the time all I had was a printout and a text file of the essay which
appeared exactly as
> you see it at:
>
> http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/0007/att-0011/00-part
>
> On 5 July 2000 a John Bradshaw (apparently one of Struan's students)
posted this:
>
> http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/0007/0015.html
>
> to let me know that it had originally been produced by Struan. I returned
this:
>
> http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/0007/0013.html
>
> thanking him for supplying the source of the essay and requested that he
ask Struan to
> email me off list with information about where it had come from.
> On 6 July 2000 Struan emailed me with this:
>
> On 6 Jul 2000 at 12:33, Struan Hellier wrote:
>
> > Hi Horse,
> >
> > Blimey, that old chestnut again.
> >
> > I believe (although I am not sure) that I posted the Emotivism essay to
the news group
> > we both contributed to for a while. Can't remember the exact name -
sci.phil.meta?? or
> > something.
> > Can't remember the date either I'm afraid, but it is definitely one I
wrote as an
> > undergraduate.
>
> > Have fun,
> >
> > Struan
>
> to which I replied:
>
> On 9 Jul 2000 at 0:32, Horse wrote:
>
> > Hi Struan
> >
> > Sorry for the delay. I've been doing some digging about regarding the
emotivism
> > essay. I spent quite a while trawling various net archives with little
success until I
> > remembered my own backups of the sci.philosophy.meta conversation. It
took me a
> > while to find and restore them but when I did tere was you essay sitting
there:
> >
> > Why emotivism is flawed as an ethical theory (Struan Hellier, 17/09/98
20:59)
> >
> > No wonder I couldn't recall the source - nearly two years ago!
> >
> > Still, that's that little mystery cleared up. Hope you didn't mind that
it was used, even
> > though I was initially unable to credit you (I have done since). It's
something that pops
> > up every now and again as new members emerge. I'm not sure that many of
them
> > understand Emotivism or even where it came from and your essay is an
excellent
> > intro. Incidentally, would you mind if I put it on my own site when I
get around to re-
> > vamping it, then if it comes up again Ican just provide a reference
instead of the whole
> > essay.
> >
> > See ya
> >
> > Horse
> >
>
> Struan replied to this with:
>
> On 9 Jul 2000 at 7:20, Struan Hellier wrote:
>
> > Hi Horse,
> >
> > Just to sound like an international jet-setter, I am off to Prague with
the School Jazz
> > Band in 15 minutes, so this will be very brief. We have just broken up
and, after this
> > week, I have two months off. Now that is what I call a holiday!
> >
> > No problems about using my essay and, of course, there was clearly no
intention to
> > plagiarise - the mere question of it is ludicrous and I never thought
that for one minute.
> > Seventeen year olds can jump to conclusions at times. Very nice lad
though. He asked
> > me about ZMM and I suggested this site to balance my scepticism. :-)
Feel free to use
> > the essay as you wish and don't forget to send me the URL of your site.
> >
> > Life is fantastic, although I am knackered. Must go - hope all is well.
> >
> > Struan
>
> In the meantime, on 6 July I had posted this:
>
> http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/0007/0018.html
>
> to the list with the following included at the end:
>
> Horse:
> I think that the essay I supplied (now confirmed as Struans - by Struan)
is
> very useful as a concise critique and explanation of Emotivism. My thanks
to
> Struan for the essay and his student John Bradshaw for bringing its origin
> to my attention.
>
>
> Here's Struan's quote again:
>
> On 10 Jan 2003 at 20:02, Struan wrote:
>
> > Horse decided to post it to the forum without my permission and without
> > giving me credit for it, presumably by cutting and pasting it after I
> > passed on a transcription of one of my undergraduate exam answers to a
> > news group. I found this doing a 'Google' search for 'Ayer' & 'Emotion'
> > and am pretty annoyed to see it there with a credit at the bottom saying
> > 'moq.org'. Although I was aware that Horse had used this essay (without
> > my permission), I stupidly presumed that he would, at the very least,
> > acknowledge its source, either immediately before or immediately after
> > the body of work, and I urge him to do so now or remove it from his
> > site. Horse has the audacity to accuse Glenn of 'intellectual dishonesty
> > of the worst kind', yet here he is stealing my intellectual property.
> > Outrageous!
>
>
> And as you can see from the above I credited Struan at the time and
received
> permission from Struan to do with the essay as I pleased.
> As I had no recollection of it's origin it would have been somewhat
difficult to
> acknowledge the source either before or after the body of work.
> Concerning 'post it to the forum without my permission', I posted it to
the forum ensuring
> no-one would think it was mine stating quite plainly that I had no
recollection of it's origin
> and Struan accepted this quite happily, even making a point of mentioning
that he
> understood no plagiarism was involved on my part.
> That also seems to clear up the accusation of 'intellectual dishonesty of
the worst kind'
> and 'he is stealing my intellectual property' quite reasonably I think.
>
> So there you go. Not so very 'Outrageous' after all!
>
> I think all the URL references I have given are correct but if they're not
let me know or
> you can go to:
>
> http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/0007
>
> sort by date and it's all there.
>
> I'll get around to the rest of your post just as soon as I have the time.
>
> See ya
>
>
> Horse
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>
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