Re: MD Empiricism

From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Dec 01 2004 - 18:52:10 GMT

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    Hi Scott

    I was suggesting that pure experience is implying
    that we cease to see it containing objects that are
    separate from ourselves as both subjects and objects,
    purely distinguishing between SOM and MOQ.
    In MOQ we are ceasing to draw these lines. The question
    of awareness remains but needs to then consider the
    patterns that clearly more in and out of our experience, both
    in the world (eg particular cat leaving the room) and in our minds (and
    general idea of catness).

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:38 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Empiricism

    > David M,
    >
    >> Scott: I see trees and walls. I hear tunes and thuinder. I taste sourness
    >> and
    >> sweetness. I don't see, hear, or taste "pure experience".
    >>
    >> DM: Try, this is tree quality, this is wall quality, this is sour
    >> quality,
    >> experiences come and go, I draw no lines between the thisness
    >> of experience and the thatness of the tree, experience is the pattern
    >> that reflects my body in relation to the tree's body, the whole pattern
    >> is mediated by the bodies, the awareness is in the wholeness.
    >
    > I don't deny that Quality is always involved in experience. What I
    > question
    > is "pure experience". Tree quality involves trees, and wall quality
    > involves walls, no? The tree doesn't mask Quality. It expresses it.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    >
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