From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
Date: Sat Dec 04 2004 - 02:00:50 GMT
In a message dated 12/3/04 5:03:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk writes:
Are you familiar with the phrase 'adrenaline junkie'? Someone who has such a
rush from a particular
experience (bungee jumping or whatever) that they continue to seek out that
rush doing more and more
exotic exercises. The Lutheran revolution was a huge DQ step forward from a
corrupt and suffocating
set of SQ patterns, but I believe there are certain historical inheritances
from that period which
are no longer DQ, but have in fact become their own form of SQ, principally
the assumption that the
established church is anti-DQ. As I see it there is an element in Protestant
derived cultures which
causes hostility to SQ patterns, especially ones associated with a
hierarchy. I think this is a
large part of the fuel for a 'free market', it underlies a lot of the US
ideology, and it
particularly shows itself in discussions about the role of the church
establishment. The problem is
that without SQ you degenerate, and I think that has happened in certain
circumstances - you could
say that the drug problem is one of the fallouts from this approach (after
all, it is unadulterated
DQ as some would see it). I think Pirsig calls this problem quite well when
he's writing about the
hippies.
But then again, maybe I'm just interpreting things through conservative
spectacles...
Hi Sam,
I pretty much agree with what you are saying, and understand it to be wise
to hold on to the static patterns as support. At some point in time, these
static patterns were Dynamic, or they wouldn't have worked their way into our
soical or intellectual patterns, as we have a long period since the Greeks to
build upon the original Republic and Laws. You would think we would have gotten
a bit closer to a dynamic Republic.
Maybe it is more the balancing of the Lila in us, as opposed to conforming
to either.
One supporting thought is that we have gone from the 'Woodstock generation'
to the 'Wall Street generation', and it appears the lack of values is the only
thing that constant through this generation (mine), except for some pretty
decent tunes.
I think back to what I learned during this period, and it does seem to me
the culture shock brought us to a new way of looking at things. What I see more
is the effect it had on the upcoming generation. It is like a scientific
discovery. The arguments never allow the discovery to become a part of the
culture during the period in which it is discovered, as there is value in both
side's arguments -- Einstein -vs.- Bhor for instance. Once the next generation
comes to it, it is no longer questioned, as it is then familiar in history --
it becomes accepted whether right or wrong.
What you think?
Chin
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