Re: MD The Quality of Capitalism?

From: ml (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Wed Dec 08 2004 - 05:43:00 GMT

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    Sorry,

    Had I known his writing was little more than
    "throw away" I would've just ignored it...

    thanks--mel

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 6:40 AM
    Subject: Re: MD The Quality of Capitalism?

    > Hi Mel,
    >
    > On 6 Dec 2004 at 22:25, ml wrote:
    >
    > I just took the lead on his style and went with it...
    > no more no less...the "muddled would have to do
    > with what was being addressed. Just took what
    > I found...thx--mel
    >
    > msh:
    > Then why not try to unmuddle it? NC's comments were off the top of
    > his head, in response to one of probably a couple hundred emails he
    > answered that day. I posted the exchange to give us all something to
    > talk about. As for his tone, well he, like you, was probably
    > influenced by the objectionable framing of the arguments.
    >
    > I think your "straw man" issue is unfair, as he's responding to real
    > arguments made by real people every day, not something he's trumped
    > up for his own amusement. If you have better arguments and data in
    > support of so-called free-market economies, then let's hear them.
    >
    > My complaint about your response is that you put forth some
    > interesting ideas but never quite connect them in a way that refutes
    > what NC is saying. And sometimes you appear to miss his point
    > entirely. I can go into more detail here, if you like. But I'd like
    > to keep the exchange cordial, if not friendly.
    >
    > FWIW, I think NC is wrong if he is suggesting that innovation NEVER
    > occurs as a result of the pursuit of profit. There are plenty of
    > counter-examples in the computer industry alone. But I think he's
    > right in saying that the vast majority of creative and innovative
    > work is done by people trying to solve interesting and difficult
    > problems, often in their spare time, with no thought at all of their
    > own enrichment. So to say that profit is what motivates creativity
    > is just wrong.
    >
    > Anyway...
    >
    > Best,
    > Mark
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 5:49 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD The Quality of Capitalism?
    >
    >
    > > On 5 Dec 2004 at 23:34, ml wrote:
    > > (Interleaved Reply)
    > > ::no reply needed::
    > >
    > > msh says:
    > > Or deserved. Just more unsupported screaming from the rooftops.
    > >
    > > Your thinking is so muddled, jargonized, and incomplete it's hard
    > to
    > > tell when you're insulting me and when you're insulting Chomsky.
    > >
    > > It's too bad your animosity prevents you from offering constructive
    > > commentary.
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
    > >
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