From: PhaedrusWolf@aol.com
Date: Thu Dec 09 2004 - 17:19:36 GMT
In a message dated 12/8/04 7:54:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hampday@earthlink.net writes:
> Everything is art; if it is done with the highest Quality it is a thing of
beauty.
>
> It is mundane, systematic, effortless creation; you are simply going
through life on cruise control, afraid to accelerate or > take a curve fast
as the excitement is feared to lead to only negative consequences. There is
not adrenaline, only the
> biological heartbeat of existence in a so-so effort made in a so-so life
to come to a so-so end. You have existed, but
> your existence meant nothing.
Ham) -- That is neither religion nor philosophy, Chin. It's plain,
old-fashioned
nihilism.
Hi Ham,
You took the first sentence from the first paragraph, and combined it out of
context with a few sentences in the last paragraph to restate what I said to
make it mean what you wanted it to mean. What was left out that gave what I
offered meaning was "Performing a task is what you are describing."
It is my opinion of what you are saying about Methodology, and only an
opinion;
" Performing a task is what you are describing. It is mundane, systematic,
effortless creation; you are simply going through life on cruise control,
afraid to accelerate or take a curve fast as the excitement is feared to lead to
only negative consequences. There is not adrenaline, only the biological
heartbeat of existence in a so-so effort made in a so-so life to come to a so-so
end. You have existed, but your existence meant nothing."
"You have existed, but your existence meant nothing." -- was not meant to
say that your existence (life) should have no meaning, but quite the opposite --
A life without meaning is not living, but only existing.
Filling in the blanks you left out from beginning to end;
"Everything is art; if it is done with the highest Quality it is a thing of
beauty. Motorcycle maintenance is an analogy showing how the most mundane
task can be done with Quality, and how a concentration on Quality can make a
difference in the world. Methodological work is of the lowest Quality, and I
have found this in mechanical engineering I have witnessed to date. When you
persist in advancing through methodology to a given goal, there may be substance
in your creation, but that is all it is -- a form, a cold piece of substance
that comes from some prior decided design; the idea that Quality has no
value.
The skilled individual brings happiness to their life and others by the
difference between a Quality decision and performing a task. Performing a task is
what you are describing. It is mundane, systematic, effortless creation; you
are simply going through life on cruise control, afraid to accelerate or
take a curve fast as the excitement is feared to lead to only negative
consequences. There is not adrenaline, only the biological heartbeat of existence in a
so-so effort made in a so-so life to come to a so-so end. You have existed,
but your existence meant nothing."
still has a completely different meaning than what you are trying to twist
it around to mean -- so you can find "substance" to the preset prejudices you
brought with you to the conversation.
Have your Essence as you see it fits in with these preset prejudices, and if
it brings happiness to your life, then it is of some Quality. The 'Better
than' that you have dismissed may be the secret to your happiness. If you can
stay convinced in what you offered in your thesis holds (whatever term you
choose for 'Dynamic Quality'), then maybe you can find the same comfort Pirsig
found in Quality. To him, Quality is 'Better than' Absolute, Being,
Nothingness, Oneness, God, and Allahh, as with Quality, "You cannot conceive of or live
in a world in which nothing is better than anything else."
from ZMM; "My personal feeling is that this is how any further improvement
of the world will be done: by individuals making Quality decisions and that's
all."
These words are the preset prejudice I bring to the discussions. As I have
already offered, I read philosophy within the idea of the 'Null hypothesis'
that anything offered by any philosopher has to make sense to me before it can
enter, and stay in my mind. This idea of Quality seems to have worked for me,
as I find myself quite happy with the quote from Pirsig. It doesn't seem to
work as well for you.
Seems I have been using the word 'Happy' for some reason? You think it might
be a hidden little riddle in my mindless ramblings? :o)
Have fun at whatever you choose to do -- "Don't worry; be Happy."
Chin
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