RE: MD Nihilism (Punk)

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Mon Feb 28 2005 - 02:36:08 GMT

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    Hey MOQers:

    dmb says:
    Like Marsha and Adam, I also very much enjoyed Ham's hilarous parody of an
    old Victorian crank. It was "spot on", as they say across the pond. Casting
    the whole piece in Platt's voice was a brilliant choice too. Adds a little
    local color and its just good type casting. Who better to play to Rigelistic
    prig? Check it out...

    Ham said to Arlo:
    Unlike you, I apparently have no 'punk' in me, and thus have a problem
    accepting "rock concerts" as anything but riotous behavior energized by
    electronically distorted noise that rarely, if ever, takes on the aspects of
    music (at least as that term may be applied to an art form).
    "Counter-cultural" is too nice: I would call 'punk' and its expression
    anti-cultural, animalistic, primitive. If these exhibitionists insist on
    being millionaire pop idols at the sacrifice of our cultural heritage, how
    do they serve as a model for our youth? To what pit of debauchery do they
    conspire to lead us? Forget about what "music is supposed to be" -- what
    VALUES are they advocating beyond uninhibited sex, social upheaval, and
    revolt against authority? Is there any semblance of personal
    responsibility, rationality, or harmony in their call to violence?

    dmb says:
    See how he takes grandstanding to a new level here? The guys on FOX news
    would blush at this. It achieves a level of grandiosity rarely achieved by
    mere mortals. We need a new word for grandstanding of this magnitude. Let's
    call it grandiose-standing or greatgrandingstanding or something. And what
    makes it so funny is the way he maintains that geezerlike cluelessness, that
    oblivious quality. As if the kids were rebelling against something else. Ha!
    I laughed until I wet myself.

    Ham said to Arlo:
    Social norms, as you call them, are the refinements of human culture that
    have enabled man to become a civilized creature, in large measure by
    enhancing his sensibility and intellectual appreciation of the values of
    life. Is this not the message of Dynamic Quality to which you MoQers
    aspire? The rap 'artist' is an offense to civilization; he wants to tear
    it all down and start afresh with a new world order based on a
    let-it-all-hang-out, free-love, anti-intellectual mentality. You may see
    this as harmless "self-expression"; but the philosophy that it espouses is a
    threat to society. Civilization does not advance by eschewing cultural
    values and individual responsibility. Indeed, it's precisely the loss of
    these values that has led our younger generation into lives of crime,
    addiction, unwanted pregnancies and intellectual dysfunction. If you would
    apply your "critical lens" to this rebellion against norms, I think you
    would see that it is both irrational and nihilistic.

    dmb says:
    Oh, this is great too. See how he maintains the level of grandiosity and
    moves us from rock and a concern for the kids to rap and a full-blown
    apocalyptic vision, a vision of the end of humanity's evolution. Its sheer
    genius, really. A new world order based on free love. That is so funny that
    its almost cruel. I laughed until I soiled myself. Ham mocks those foolish
    old men so perfectly that I can only conclude that he's personally familiar
    with such antiquated characters.

    Ham said to Arlo:
    How is the musician qualified to challenge social norms; does he know
    something about "social justice" in his drug-induced stupor that the average
    taxpaying citizen doesn't? ...This is more than just an aside, Arlo. I
    totally disagree with your conclusion. Undermining the values on which a
    culture is founded, and offering nothing but social revolution to replace
    them, is nihilism in its most blatant form.

    dmb says:
    Punks want to "sacrifice our cultural heritage". The Rap artist hates
    civilization and "wants to tear it all down" and finally the musician is
    "offering nothing but social revolution". Wait until I catch my breath. Oh,
    stop, stop! Its just too funny.

    Help! The musicians are after me! They want to take my children! They're
    going to burn the temples and dishonor our gods with their baggy pants and
    fascist haircuts!

    But if I may be serious for just a moment, I heard a story long ago. Do'nt
    even rememeber where or when anymore, but its true story told by the one who
    experienced it. There no big plot. He just expalined that when he and his
    Russian-speaking Soviet friends first heard American jazz it changed their
    lives. They made of regular habit of listening and desperately sought new
    records. "To us, it sounded like freedom", he said. When I heard that I
    wept.

    My point? Its fine with me if music is the destroyer of civilizations.

    Thanks.

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