From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Mon May 02 2005 - 09:57:03 BST
Sam
You asked ..
Is there a place where I have been guilty of this [dishonest intellect] ?
Possibly Sam, but none of us is innocent - it was actually me
apologising for my losing my cool, not me pointing the finger or
fishing for apologies from anyone else. DMB had articulated a response
to that which simply made me angry.
(It's odd you picked on my words, when I was merely agreeing with DMB ?)
Anyway, your Rene Girard quote - first sentence - try this.
Paraphrase [It's not A>B but B>A ]
This is also a typical piece of dishonest intellect. It presupposes
that one is a reason for [or cause of] the other - a closed world with
an excluded middle - too simplistic. Wrong - they're both just
different emergent aspects of a more complex evolved quality of
thought.
And that's before we even start on the concept of either A or B being
"invented".
Now what about "a bi-product of the Gospel" - don't get me started :-)
Aspect - might be my word for May.
(Explanation was April's word)
Ian
On 5/2/05, Sam Norton <elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> > The thing that keeps angering me is seeing theologians using bad,
> > out-dated pseudo-science, dishonest-rhetoric to back up their
> > religious beliefs.
>
> Is there a place where I have been guilty of this? (Could easily have been,
> I'm not assuming there isn't).
>
> Sam
>
> "The invention of science is not the reason that there are no longer
> witch-hunts, but the fact that there are no longer witch-hunts is the reason
> that science has been invented. The scientific spirit, like the spirit of
> enterprise in an economy, is a by-product of the profound action of the
> Gospel text. The modern Western world has forgotten the revelation in favor
> of its by-products, making them weapons and instruments of power; and now
> the process has turned against it. Believing itself a liberator, it
> discovers its role as persecutor." Rene Girard
>
>
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