From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Tue May 03 2005 - 18:18:32 BST
Hi Sam,
On 3 May 2005 at 7:08, Sam Norton wrote:
> msh on and on:
> So, to me the interesting question has always been, why do
> theologians so often appear to seek the imprimatur of science?
>
> Scott:
> This is where you and DMB are out of date. Some theologians used to
> make pseudo-scientific arguments (of the God of the gaps sort), but
> most have learned not to. There are still many theists around who
> continue to do so, but the higher quality theology does not.
>
> msh:
> Sam says it's because they have absorbed the ideology of the age.
> You guys need to get your stories straight. It's like I've nabbed
a
> couple of criminals and have them in different interrogation rooms.
> :O)
sam:
I think this betrays an incorrect assumption on your part. A) neither
Scott nor I accept transubstantiation; B) as a Christian I see
Quality in the Eucharist; C) as a non-Christian I imagine Scott does
not see Quality in the Eucharist (but is probably happy for
Christians to see it); D) the assumption that we're going to agree on
everything is therefore illegitimate. Besides which, it's not clear
that our arguments contradict: surely the fact that we have different
arguments is a strength for the views we hold in common, not a
weakness?
msh:
Oops... I thought I was being funny... not philosophical. Sorry.
All I meant is that you had different responses to my question of why
theologians seek the the approval of science. I'm really not
suggesting there's a conspiracy between you two. Really.
sam:
On the specific points, I would suggest that those theologians who
seek a scientific imprimatur are using an understanding of theology
which makes verifiable claims (ie scientifically verifiable), which
is therefore derived from Descartes/SOM. As Scott says, all the
decent theologians avoid pseudo-scientific arguments (as they also
avoid SOM).
msh says:
Fair enough. Thanks.
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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