From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Thu May 05 2005 - 08:25:57 BST
Ha, Mark,
And in "spell-checking and corecting" the quote you extracted, you
miss the point.
I really did mean to mis-spell enemy as enema.
(The other main thread - humour - chill, lets at least have a laugh
whilst we're about it, and not forget that many a true word is spoken
... or we'll all end up in the asylum.)
Hee Hee
Ian
On 5/5/05, ian glendinning <psybertron@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> First a major caveat,
> My blog style is "unfettered" by any rules or convention (other than
> my own). I am happy not to make coherent sense, provided I have logged
> something I can come back to later myself. One reason I post thoughts
> there, has always been I know I could not explain them here - easily.
> One aspect of that - not just incoherent-sense, but jargon too - just
> suit my mood as I brain dump the thoughts - so I'm not worried about
> those aspects of your "criticism" - honestly.The only rule on my blog
> is that I thought it significant, and I thought I knew what I mean at
> the time. Some slightly more coherent points appear also in the
> Enlightened Caveman thread referred to an linked earlier.
>
> That said - I'm glad Ant pointed MoQ-Discuss at a post I wouldn't have
> made to this forum directly. Because I do sincerely mean what the
> central point says I believe - and any help to (a) articulate it, or
> (b) deny it, is genuinely welcome.
>
> And if anybody "offended" by it wants to respond - please start
> knowing I knew it would be "offensive", ans say as much a couple of
> times in the post, but that was simply secondary to my more important
> aim. Offence acknowledged, but not aimed deliberately at anybody.
> Breaking eggs, is the expression.
>
> The main point lest it was missed - in plain words - is quite simply ...
>
> I do not see (never did see) any point or obligation to argue
> "against" theistic arguments.
>
> Sorry - not running scared - just focussing my attention where I
> believe it will be most productive to a higher quality future for the
> planet.
>
> Bye
> Ian
>
> On 5/5/05, Mark Steven Heyman <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Ant quotes from Ian's blog:
> >
> > "Oh my god, this is truly awful. The logical positivist memeplex
> > reinforces the religious memeplex. Science has unwittingly been it's
> > own worst enemy."
> >
> > msh says:
> > Although I know Ian prefers physics to religion for pure explanatory
> > power, this quotation is to me a great example of how, by using
> > exotic terminology, someone might, to an ear less skeptical than
> > mine, come across as being profound when all they are being is at
> > best provincial, at worst obscure. The quote seems to suggest that
> > LP and religion are equally useful systems of investigation, that
> > science has been caught in its own lie and is hoist by its own
> > petard. This obvious falsehood is given an aura of truth by the use
> > of the sophisticated sounding "memeplex." Must I really run to
> > Dawkins in order to understand a sentence that, with slightly more
> > effort, could have been written using plain ol' English?
> >
> > Apropos to this thread, there is a huge difference between the
> > epistemological foundations of science and religion, and to suggest
> > otherwise is, as I like to say, pure confusion.
> >
> > Just my fiftieth of a dollar, and I don't expect any money back.
> >
> > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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> > why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he
> > understand." - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle
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