From: Kevin (kevin@xap.com)
Date: Mon Mar 10 2003 - 20:05:11 GMT
Squonk says?
I am not at all sure your essay would not have been better left
unwritten. <Sorry about the double negative!) Have you really thought
about what this forum may have been like had you never joined it?
You cannot have read allot of Pirsig because there isn't allot of it.
There isn't allot of Pirsig because there is no need to say much more
than has been said. That is my answer to your question as to why i feel
your writing has low Quality.
Kevin:
No need to say much more? So what is the discussion to be? Are we
simply to constitute a fan club that swaps Pirsig quotes and chortles at
our own smug self-satisfaction for being "chosen" enough to have read
it?
It seems to me that no one is more guilty of treating the MoQ like a
religion than yourself. From your view in the peanut gallery, you
constantly chime in to tell us when and where the conversation has gone
"out of bounds" and ceased to be Pirsig-centric enough for your liking.
Tell me, which has primacy, Pirsig or Quality? Did Pirsig really
encapsulate Quality within his novels such that any further thought or
investigation is unecessary? Why can't we find Quality in any other
writer? Why can't any contributer here offer insight into Quality? Is
Pirsig infallible? Is Quality Pirsig's creation or is he just another
static pattern like the rest of us?
Over the course of the last 6 months, no one has done more to liberate
Quality from the constraints of religion, politics, or static
metaphysics than Matt. He's the only poster here that consistently
refuses to put Quality in a box of neatly configured slogans for mass
consumption or to invoke Quality in support of some social agenda.
Squonk says:
You can keep your 'isms', and your 'ises' and all the rest of it, for i
can go anywhere in the world and look another in the eye and know
Quality. Everyone knows Quality. Quality works, and not by placing it in
a pragmatic envelope of limited dimension. If Matt has not experienced
this, no amount of argumentation can or will change things for him. Matt
must tread his own path and understand for himself.
But Andy, please do not hope for me? Allow me to reassure you that i
would on no account wish to change my experiences of Quality for those
of anyone else. As i sit here and look out into woods and contemplate a
cold Spring breeze, all is radiant and shinning with life.
Where in Matt's tedious essay will you find that? ;)
Kevin:
Again, the religious sentiment of your position speaks volumes, whether
intentional or not. Whenever someone disagrees with you, it's because
they aren't "in tune" with Quality enough. Not converted enough. Not
born again enough. They just don't "get it" and you condescend to
explain it to them.
You remind me of a Pentacostal Christian, drunk on Quality and speaking
in Tongues--utterly dismissive of anyone who wants to actually think and
examine the topic.
There is no God but Quality, and Pirsig is his Prophet. That could be
your new slogan.
You've contributed nothing but insults, derision and a condescension
towards this forum for months now. If Struan can be banned for doing the
same, I don't see why you can't. At least Struan backed up his
statements, instead of rolling his eyes at us and lamenting that we
just aren't good enough.
I used to find you at least entertaining. That is no longer the case.
Deeply disappointed,
-Kevin
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