From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Sun Mar 30 2003 - 17:28:37 BST
Hi David,
> Its not that I'm picking on you, Sam, its just that I think your posts are
> the most compelling. I was pretty much with you until the end, so I cut
most
> of it out. Sam quoted...
No worries - it's something I'm grateful for responses on.
> DMB says:
> The military is the intrument of control over biology? Let me split hairs.
> The military is a social level instrument and it is the social level's
role
> to control biology. But I'd say cops and religions enforce the moral codes
> that control the body's appetites, while the military is like the immune
> system for the giant itself. It grinds bodies up to protect itself. Its
very
> rare for a war to be waged for intellectual reasons, let alone actually
> fought by "hordes of intellectuals". (Thanks for the hilarious image. I
> laughed my ass off. Are you channeling Woody Allen or what?!)
I agree with that. It was meant to be an absurd image.
> I think that
> the forces and values on both sides in the present war are social.
Could you unpick that a little? In other words, would you say that the
"imposition" of democracy was the imposition of a social value?
> I don't
> think Iraqis hate freedom or rights, its just that Islamic culture tends
to
> be offended by the quasi-pornographic nature of American culture. We've
let
> that biological genie out of the bottle and they reject the West for that
> reason. The Puritans must be spinning in their graves and would most
likely
> reject modern Western culture for the same reasons. Hedonism. Vice.
> Debauchery. You know, all the really fun stuff. (Of course, the West's
> exploitive and lethal policies in the Arab world only add to the problem.
> Thanks, Nargess.)
You and I agree that Modernism has something seriously wrong with it (as
indeed does anyone who buys into the MoQ - we just disagree on the details).
Yet in this situation it is Modernism which is up against both
Fundamentalism, but also a social pattern which - correctly, IMHO - discerns
patterns in Modernism which it rejects -*and it is right to do so*. My point
is really that unless the West - by which I really mean the US
administration - realises this, then it will lose. It might win this
particular war, it might even win the next two or three, but unless it
changes, I think it is just storing up trouble for later - as you point out.
That doesn't mean that Modernism deserves to lose - it has a higher DQ
potential, clearly - it's just a worry that something very big is being
missed by Western leaders, as a result of Modernist/SOM thinking. Which the
MoQ has something to say about.
What is NPR?
Sam
The lover of myth is in a sense the lover of wisdom, for myth is composed of
wonders. Aristotle
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