From: Matt the Enraged Endorphin (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 16 2003 - 16:53:25 BST
Its been awhile since I've denied Platt, so I thought I might relive old
times today.
Platt said:
Unfortunately, postmodern types want us to live in a world of words rather
than a world of experiencies. To them it's all about language, verbiage
and spin. I'm with you in asserting as an undeniable fact that "the words
you receive from me cannot recreate the experience for you." But to pomos,
your experiences don't count. It's what your group agrees on that's more
meaningful that your personal experience. If you happen to disagree with
the group, you're brushed off as "outdated" and "useless."
Matt:
Deny, deny, deny, deny, definitely deny. Wow, Platt, I figured you would
notice that I'm probably in the minority around here. Does that mean I'm
"outdated." Well, maybe "useless" by your lights.
Platt said:
True. But keep in mind that Matt doesn't believe in objective truth.
Matt:
Den--wait, true.
Platt said:
I don't see a contradiction. A point of view only occurs when the view is
conceptualized. Prior to concepts (and words expressing those
concepts) is a world of pure direct experience--the primary "context" if
you will. As you correctly point out, language is derivative from
experience. Those who see language as the end all and be all live in a
second-hand world of "vocabularies" and group identities. They never
experience the reality which "passeth all understanding" because if they
admitted to such a reality, their argot world would crumble.
Matt:
Right, you don't see a contradiction. That's the exact point. _You_
shouldn't see a contradiction. I'm the one who should. Just as you can
say, "if they admitted to such a reality, their argot world would crumble,"
I can say that if you did accept a few of my positions, like contingency,
your "argot world would crumble" because it would start to strain the other
beliefs in your web. But, hey, its your web. Do with it what you
will. Oh, wait. By your lights, that's a very unpostmodern thing to
say. I have to remember, we postmoderns are oh so concerned with what
others think. We weren't the ones ostracized for years by the academic
community. We suddenly appeared and took it over by our massive strength
and evil appeal. I've got to start acting more postmodern or I'll get
kicked out of the club. Okay, I'm new to this, so excuse my awkwardness:
Platt, your personal experience does not count. You must ... hold on, I
gotta' look at my notes ... agree with the group. The group is more
meaningful than you. Never mind that that doesn't make sense. I mean, how
can something have more meaning than something else? Don't things just
have "meaning," are all "full of meaning." But wait, I gotta' go with the
group. So, Platt, you are wrong because the group is right. You are
outdated and useless and, wait, what's that? How do I know what the group
thinks? Well, I guess we'll have to take a poll. Because that's what
postmoderns must do. Take a lot of polls. Else, how would they know?
Matt
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