From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 16 2003 - 21:44:35 BST
OK all,
No one has addressed some points I have been trying to interject into the
intellectual patterns discussions for the last week, so I'm making one more
plea for their consideration before I give up. If they're not relevant, I'd
appreciate some feedback to tell me why, rather than a null response, which
would only prove that you are all racists :-)
1. Doesn't the MoQ say that the 4th level patterns exist on top of 3rd level
patterns the way a novel sits on top of a computer? The intellectual level
doesn't sit on top of 2nd level patterns (people). They don't come out of
individuals, they come out of society and are about society. They help a
society find food, not an individual find food. An individual uses
biological patterns of intellegence and repeats social patterns to find
food. Is this wrong? Please address the novel/computer metaphor as it
relates to the 3rd and 4th levels. I think it clarifies the difference
between thinking in a biological sense and thinking in an intellectual
sense.
2. Instead of saying that all the patterns exist as intellectual patterns of
different levels, isn't it better to use the word consciousness or awareness
rather than intellect, thus avoiding having to use the confusing phrase
"intuitive intellect" to distinguish consciousness from enduring ideas, and
saving the term intellect to use for thoughts about society, thoughts only
possible after the establishment of the third level?
As to Pirsig's "manipulation of symbols" and "simply mind" clarifications of
the Intellectual level, I think those were unfortunate off-hand
over-simplifications that destroy the whole notion of levels, so please
don't merely respond with those back at me, unless you are prepared to show
how they harmonize with the heirarchy and the computer/novel concept.
Thanks,
Johnny
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