From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Sat Aug 09 2003 - 06:23:31 BST
Hello Sam
On 7 August you spoke:
> I'm still here!! Still reading and listening, but having just started
> a new and much more complex job (now in charge of four parishes, not
> just an assistant in one) my workload is overflowing, so I'm keeping
> shtum for a bit.
I see. Some has a job to attend to ...except from saving a fantastic
idea from extinction.
Me previously:
> > had dug out a Wittgenstein quote on that
> > issue. I am unable to find it (June sometime) but I remember that
> > David agreed with it. If my memory serves me Wittgenstein maintains
> > that thinking is language internalized,
> Briefly, I would disagree with that. The tenor of Wittgenstein's
> thought was against 'internal' meanings, at least as the primary
> foundation for language (which is why I see language as operating at
> the social level).
OK, I still agree with language as operating (starting on) the social
level, but in addition I see it as the pattern that DQ hijacked to Intellect
in the manner described: Creating the abstract/concrete divide
(concepts as different from the reality behind the concepts) That the
internal/external schism is illusory is true, but insignificant for my
argument.
> His 'private language' argument, for example,
> famously demolishes the idea that the sense or meaning of a language
> is restricted to individual perception - on the contrary, it is
> public. So thinking is foundationally a public activity, rooted in a
> shared public life (the 'language game').
No bad thinker that Wittgenstein ;-)
> Hence: "If a lion could
> talk, we could not understand him" - because we do not have a shared
> society with the lion, whereas we do with our fellow human beings,
> more or less.
Talk? Well I see. We believe that animals suffer from an inability to
express themselves (mute beasts), while they express every nuance
of their bio-social reality to each other.
> I'm mulling on a couple of longer posts/ essays at the moment - one
> about the evolution of the intellect (thanks to Squonk for the pointer
> to Up from dragons, which I've ordered), and one about the nature of
> SOM - about which I am harbouring heretical thoughts :-)
Looking forward to it all.
Sincerely
Bo
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