From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Sun Aug 10 2003 - 08:31:53 BST
Scott and Platt, Sam and DMB mentioned.
On 9 Aug. Scott R wrote:
Platt:
> > Those who believe intellect (logos, reason, thinking, the
> > manipulation of symbols) suddenly emerged in ancient Greece may want
> > to reconsider.
Scott:
> For the record, what I have been saying is not that the intellect
> suddenly emerged around 500 BC, but that that is the time when
> intellect (to be more precise I should say intellectual creativity)
> moved from appearing to come from the outside (i.e. from the gods, and
> hence as reinforcing social morals) to appearing to come from the
> inside (i.e., as being one's own activity), and hence producing the
> S/O divide, and the idea of individual autonomy, and the possibility
> of questioning social morals. Hence, until this happened there was no
> real distinction between the social and intellectual levels.
To start with Platt. This is hilarious. Who are those who believe
intellect (in the thinking/manipulation of symbols sense) suddenly
emerged in ancient Greece? Not me at least, I believe that the
STATIC intellectual LEVEL emerged at that time. I am with Scott as
he points to thinking as an impossible definition of something static, it
is an aspect of existence's dynamics ...would have liked to add: AS
IT APPEARS FROM INTELLECT because it is from there existence is
split into subjective thinking/the objective world.
Scott makes the point that intellect did not suddenly emerge around
500 BC ...etc. The suddenness can be discussed, I agree with Scott
about Jaynes' "bicameral" transformation as a forerunner for the S/O,
this took place around Homer's time and is still "ancient Greece".
What I find strange with Scott's presentation is the notion that there
was an intellect that "moved from appearing...etc". Is it the thinking
ghost again that "moved" from Society into Intellect ...after having
moved from Biology?
Anyway, Sam's "autonomous" individual, Scott's view above and
David's rejection of "manipulation of symbols" intellect all add up ...to
the SOL-conclusion is still premature but that's OK.
Sincerely. Bo
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