From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Sat Aug 16 2003 - 22:47:00 BST
Hi DMB, Matt,
DMB said:
> I'm puzzled by the following Pirsig quotes and, so far, the comments about
> them made by posters haven't helped. In both of the quotes he seems to be
> saying that the highest quality intellectual patterns are quite wrong. This
> doesn't make sense to me. How can we call it a high quality idea if it is
> wrong or untrue?
I don't think he says that such high quality intellectual patterns aren't
true, but rather he is saying that "true" is a value judgment. To say
"external objects appear historically before intellectual patterns" is a
"true statement" is equivalent to saying that it is a high quality
intellectual pattern. A still higher quality intellectual pattern is to say
that "this intellectual pattern itself comes before the external world, not
after."
>Does he not also contradict himself by insisting that these
> "socially approved evaluations" are reality and sanity itself and then turn
> around and say they are wrong?
It's not a matter of right and wrong, but higher and lower quality.
It sounds to me like he doesn't see "true" as absolute but rather as a term
that we apply to high quality intellectual patterns, just as "good" is a
word that we use to describe social quality though never thought of as
absolute but rather relative to a given culture. He is acknowledging the
same sort of relativity of truth.
This is why I don't understand Matt's rejection of the MOQ. I think that
Pirsig has accounted for the critiques of postmodernism and pragmatism in
his philosophy, but in Quality he has found a far better intellectual
postulate than Rorty's Darwinism.
Thanks,
Steve
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