From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Tue Aug 19 2003 - 20:41:51 BST
squonk: In the sense that the computer and 'I' share a
gravitational-electromagnetic relationships, we are not distinct. That is a
scientific fact. On the social and intellectual levels, the computer and me
and you share all the time, and the boundaries are impositions of your
cultural inheritance.
Hey squonk, can you feel this? MMMFDJSFOISHDFH KJDSHFKLHSFLJDHSDFHFJHSFD
I'm hitting the keys REALLY HARD to break through the cultural inheritance
:)
sq: This is a culturally inherited QWERTY keyboard. :)
squonk: Subjects and Objects are aesthetic creations of the intellect.
I think it's better to describe them as creations of Quality (or Morality).
The intellect can't create an object or a subject that shouldn't exist
morally. If it should exist morally, the intellect can't help but create
it. Also, there is no intellect "prior" or apart from the creations of it,
all three are created simultaneously. (Thanks for turning me on to
Plotinus)
sq: In my view, the intellect is a relationship between a repertoire of
static experience and DQ. So, the intellect is creating all the time, and this is a
moral process because Quality, value and moral are synonyms.
I think saying it's a creation of intellect without qualifying that
intellect is directed by morality (and without moralizing that intellect is
directed by quality) makes subjects and objects a little too ephemeral, as
though we could change our minds about the aesthetic of it existing or not.
We can, of course, but only if we are led to do so morally.
Johnny
sq: Well, i think we are saying the same things? In My view, biological and
social values have differentiated the opposite sex and leaders anyway, and if
these differentiation's are then symbolised by the intellect then subjects and
objects have been well in existence for a very very long time?
But we don't need subjects and objects - that's what the MoQ says. In the MoQ
there are SQ patterns in a relationship with DQ and the relationship is a
moral one.
Re: Plotinus - he is very very similar (but not the same)! in his approach in
that the One and the edge of the shadow of existence it illuminates are a
continuum.
All the best,
squonk
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