From: Paul Turner (paulj.turner@ntlworld.com)
Date: Thu Aug 28 2003 - 22:27:40 BST
DMB, Matt
A quick interjection...
DMB said:
We can't TALK about anything that isn't already 'inside' a language. OK.
Sounds like a harmless truism to me. But is that really all Pirsig is
saying? Paul seems to think its about balancing materialism and
idealism.
Paul:
That's not quite what I'm saying. I would rather say that it's about
"valuism", which subsumes materialism (inorganic patterns of value) and
idealism (intellectual patterns of value) as partial explanations of
different values.
Matt:
I'll rehearse briefly the historical dialectic that led to this. (I
shouldn't have to warn, but I will in case there is any confusion. The
story I'm about to tell is from the pragmatist's eyes...
Paul:
You're right, you shouldn't have to warn anyone before saying anything.
My comments about "pragmatist misrepresentation" were a bit harsh given
the length of time you have been around on this forum and the lengths
you have gone to in explaining your approach to Pirsig. I was just being
antagonistic, which doesn't really help debate.
Paul
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