From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Aug 29 2003 - 21:34:53 BST
Ian,
> You are still describing two different things at each end of an
> interaction. You still use the word "between". Between "somethings" ?
Yes, between Dynamic Quality and static quality, a far different
metaphor from the subject/object metaphor.
> You are simply using different metaphors to avoid using the words
> subject and object, but we don't actually have any fundamentally
> different model here IMHO.
I'm using a different metaphor, as does Pirsig, to point to a fundamentally
different model of "reality" -- a hugely different model from the S/O
model as I'm sure you've noticed.
> MoQ focusses on the interaction (or the
> triplet) rather than any distinct subjects or objects, but I don't
> believe it helps to pretend there's nothing involved in the interaction
> whatever you call these things - Two to tango you say. Three to tango I
> could say. (Aphorisms rule by the way.)
I don't see what this is telling me about your argument. Sorry. What
third thing?
> Quote from Lila ?
> I already said they were "familiar words" - I take it for granted we're
> all familiar with the texts of ZMM, Lila, SODV and LC. I still don't see
> what this is telling me about your argument. Sorry.
You say you don't comprehend the meaning of "pre-intellectual?" How
about the immediate direct experience of seeing or listening to a work
of art before you think about it? Or, in the Pirsig example, getting
your ass off a hot stove?
> A world of flukes ?
> I know it's amazing isn't it. Awesome. Difficult to imagine. All of
> those things, but no reason why it may not be true, and lots of reasons
> to say it fits the evidence. Try reading "Climbing Mount Improbable".
What evidence would you cite without my having to read a book? What I
find most curious is on one hand you appeal to reason, and on the other
hand you claim that the whole world just happened for no reason at all.
If you want to talk miracles, Jesus rising from the dead at least had
witnesses. :-)
Platt
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