From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Wed Sep 03 2003 - 09:23:58 BST
Jonathan, Platt and Scott.
31 Aug. Jonathan wrote:
Scott originally:
> > > This is why I say that the S/O divide should be seen as a case of
> > > the DQ/SQ divide. It's too ingrained in us to be called a *static*
> > > pattern of value.
Platt commented:
> > How "ingrained" something is has no effect on its being a static
> > pattern. The laws of physics are pretty well ingrained yet still
> > static patterns of the inorganic level. But, the S/O divide, if we
> > agree it is a static social pattern, can be said to be seen as "a case
> > of the DQ/sq divide, or perhaps less abstractly, a case (pattern) in
> > the MOQ moral hierarchy.
The S/O divide - its emergence and growth - is described in ZMM and
even if you don't accept the SOL (that the S/O is intellect itself) you at
least see the SOM as an (one) intellectual pattern ..don't you? So why
suddenly social?
Scott's suggestion of the S/O as a dynamic/static case I have
commented on earlier.
Jonathan says:
> I dissent on both counts:
> 1. "Ingrained" and "static" are synonyms, both meaning resistant to
> change. 2. I don't see the S/O divide as a social pattern. It is an
> (intellectual) description of perception AT ALL LEVELS.
I agree about the ingrained part and also (with qualifications) about
S/O as "...an intellectual description of perception at all levels".
Intellect has the privilege of "describing" the rest of existence, but I
wonder what other "intellectual descriptions ...etc". are like? Just one
example please.
> IMHO, what Pirsig has done is to LIBERATE the S/O divide from a
> metaphysical straightjacket.
Agree!
> According to my understanding of the
> quality idea, the S/O division is no longer a fixed, absolute
> dichotomy that defines the bounds of reality; it is a
> dynamically-assigned division that can help describe experience.
The S/O divide a "dynamically-assigned division". Well, weren't all
quality levels once dynamically assigned? And "..help describe
experience" ...of course, intellect offers the best description of
experience ...until the MOQ that is.
Sincerely
Bo
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