Re: Sheldrake (MD economics of want and greed 4)

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 18:54:08 BST

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    Hi
    Not sure Sheldrake can help with this,
    Sheldrake offers a possible explanation
    for how patterns are able to operate in the world
    and appear in a developing way across the time history
    of the cosmos, rather than the cosmos just dissipating away without
    any increases in localised complexity.

    I kind of agree with Scott, objects/matter are the product of perception
    so materialism seems very naive, I preer to say just Being/Quality is a good
    word for reality and there is not much you can say about it, but SOM
    is a reduction of dynamic/static experience to just the static pretty much

    Regards
    David Morey

    ----- Original Message -----
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    > Hi David,
    >
    > Since I am having such a difficult time understanding Scott, could you
    please
    > explain to me how something as obscure as "trying to explain perception
    through
    > the products of perception" can throw any favorable light on the work of
    > SHeldrake over the other conventional "materialist" explanations? If we
    are not
    > allowed to explain experience through what we experience, then what are we
    left
    > with? How does Sheldrake avoid this cunumdrum?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Andy
    > > Hi Scott
    > >
    > > thanks for below, I agree entirely.
    > >
    > > David Morey
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott R" <jse885@spinn.net>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 11:19 PM
    > > Subject: Re: Sheldrake (MD economics of want and greed 4)
    > >
    > >
    > > > Jonathan,
    > > >
    > > > > Jonathan replies:
    > > > > Please note that Rupert Sheldrake's Morphic Fields idea has failed
    to
    > > gain
    > > > > serious credence.
    > > > > The observations Sheldrake cites are controversial (conventional
    > > > > explanations work just as well as Sheldrake's) and Sheldrake has
    been
    > > > unable
    > > > > to provide an acceptable means of testing his ideas. A quick Google
    > > search
    > > > > will throw up plenty of material on Sheldrake, from which it quickly
    > > > becomes
    > > > > apparent that contrary to 20 years ago, few scientists now take him
    > > > > seriously - the ideas just didn't pan out.
    > > >
    > > > On the other hand, work in seeking mechanistic explanations for such
    > > things
    > > > as instinctual behavior, how language is learned and used, or how
    memory
    > > > works, haven't panned out either, and this in spite of getting most
    all
    > > the
    > > > grant money and holding most all the research positions. Conventional
    > > (read
    > > > materialist) explanations do not work just as well in these areas, for
    > > > reasons I have given in the past (roughly, trying to explain
    perception
    > > > through the products of perception).
    > > >
    > > > - Scott
    > > >
    > > >
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