From: Mati Palm-Leis (mpalm@merr.com)
Date: Sun Oct 12 2003 - 04:22:10 BST
David,
I guess we need to demystify the idea of choice. A dog can make a
choice as well as you can. Choice is no more than value patterns that
exists in the pursuit of quality. In relation to the idea of the future
existed in social as well as in the intellection and in some way has a
limited meaning. In terms of quality, it is not so much that the future
is so extraordinary; it is those patterns that will try to dominate the
future when it gets here. :)
Mati
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From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk] On Behalf Of David MOREY
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 1:47 PM
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD Intellectual level - New letter from Pirsig
Hi
My point is that choice depends on alternative futures being available.
I go to my fridge and can eat eggs or ham but not steak because I do
not have any steak. In this situation (wanting to eat) at least 2
futures
are
available the ham sandwich or the egg on toast. It seems to me that
being
human,
having choice is very much related to this orientation towards the
future in
the context
of the past, focus on the present is kind of meaningless, it ignores the
situation (past)
and the choices (given possibilities/future). The present is defined by
past
and future and otherwise is kind of
meaningless.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mati Palm-Leis" <mpalm@merr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 3:17 AM
Subject: RE: MD Intellectual level - New letter from Pirsig
> David,
> I miss the point about the dog in trap 6, but ok I will comment on
time.
> Past and Future are not the cutting edge of reality, the present is.
> Past and future before the time of language had very little meaning.
> Choice it seem is part of the diversity of patterns and realities that
> exist. Change occurs in time, in the present. Choices we as humans
or
> other living creatures make are in respect to the diversity patterns
we
> call life. Thinking is only is only one of the many patterns that
exist.
> Quality and especially DQ quality create the capacity for choice to
make
> changes for the good.
>
> Mati
>
>
>
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