RE: MD Objectivity, Truth and the MOQ

From: David Buchanan (
Date: Mon Feb 09 2004 - 00:56:07 GMT

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    Matt, Paul and all MOQers:
    Matt said:
    Pirsig posited value behind objective and subjective. I take this to
    mean that he's dissolving the contrast between them. ..This, I think, is his
    move towards intersubjective agreement. Value, as the dissolving category
    (if you will), is a continuum of intersubjective agreement.

    Paul replied:
    Again I think intersubjective agreement, in the MOQ, translates into
    varying degrees of social and intellectual quality.

    dmb says:
    I think Paul is right. In the MOQ, intersubjective agreement and the MOQ's
    top two levels represent two different ideas about the same thing. Further,
    the kind of value or Quality that gives rise to the static levels is Dynamic
    and so the assertion that " a continuum of intersubjective
    agreement" demonstrates a lack of comprehension about Pirisg's most
    important terms. Without an understanding of these basic Pirsigisms, no
    comparison to Rorty or any other philosopher is possible. It appears that
    Matt literally doesn't know what he's talking about.

    Short, but not sweet,

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