From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Feb 10 2004 - 20:16:20 GMT
Hi Platt
That is nice. I think Paul is a real asset to the
group. I think the use of aesthetic implies something
about wholeness that is required in a conception ot truth.
Saying that it is static implies that it is potentially incomplete
and fallible. New experience will make it lose its aesthetic and
require replacing in a dynamic way. But maybe it misses something about
the non-dualistic intuition that is an aspect of truth and is
non-intellectual.
Harmony also implies wholeness to me.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: MD Truth and Understanding and Knowledge
> Hi David M,
>
> Paul Turner has the best understanding of truth that I know:
>
> "Truth is the static aesthetic of intellectual harmony."
>
> That's hard to beat for "economy of explanation."
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I would like to put forward a position
> > on truth to see who agrees/disagrees.
> >
> > I think we can take truth in a very simple way.
> > There is only one world, one truth. Is there a cat
> > behind the wall? Answer: yes or not. Does gravity
> > pull on bodies according to distance in an inverse
> > square law? Answer: yes or no. Which hole did the
> > electron go through? -Well, neither actually, so there
> > is something wrong with the question.
> >
> > Now to have any understanding/knowledge of the truth
> > requires an appropriate language applied to patterns
> > that we suspect operate in certain repeating ways.
> > Hence, all knowledge is a human creation, therefore it
> > is utterly fallible, and subject to all the epistemological problems
> > the post modernists suggests. However, the truth remains.
> > We can test our knowledge against nature, even though nature
> > is a very elusive conversational partner. She drives us mad.
> > We cannot just ask is there a cat behind the wall?
> > She does not answer that question. We can put some milk
> > behind the wall and nature will give us an empty saucer back.
> > We might be on to something. We send some mice in and they
> > rarely make it back again, etc. We build up theories of entities
> > (cats) and their behaviour under different controlled conditions.
> > We name things, we describe patterns, and on we go. It can go very
> > badly wrong, but we make overall progress. After a while we revise
> > things and discoveer curious entities, maybe a cat-fish that can also
swim.
> > And an entity is only a set of patterns under certain conditions, a
human
> > being is a certain way of looking at the patterns of a particular
> > configuration of molecules, and that again as patterns of atoms, or
going
> > the other way certain organic material becomes a human and then gets fed
> > back to bacteria and round the food chain pattern it goes. All different
> > levels of patterns, all exhibiting the most amazing fullness of
potential,
> > from quantum particles to become atoms, to become suns, to become
> > molecules, to become seas, to become plants, to become food, to become
> > animals, to become a horse and cart, to become human, to become writing,
to
> > become music, to become emotions, etc etc ...
> >
> > Agree/disagree?
> >
> > regards
> > David M
> >
> >
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