From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Feb 11 2004 - 20:28:45 GMT
Hi all
Just like to add to the below:
I did not make it clear that I think experiments
and therefore science does have a privileged
position in terms of truth. This is due to the fact that science can
do controlled experiments that remove as many dynamic
factors as possible from the system to create a closed system.
Only then does science have a hope of isolating a static pattern.
An expt is a rare and pure situation and not like day to day life and
reality.
Here we can get close to a conversation with nature that has some level
of pattern and consistency. Now, outside of closed experimemts we have no
such isolation, we cannot hear what nature has to say midst all the
competing
voices. Here truth is stuck with intersubjective agreement, fuzzy patterns,
different perspectives giving different patterns, etc.
regards
David M
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I would like to put forward a position
> > > on truth to see who agrees/disagrees.
> > >
> > > I think we can take truth in a very simple way.
> > > There is only one world, one truth. Is there a cat
> > > behind the wall? Answer: yes or not. Does gravity
> > > pull on bodies according to distance in an inverse
> > > square law? Answer: yes or no. Which hole did the
> > > electron go through? -Well, neither actually, so there
> > > is something wrong with the question.
> > >
> > > Now to have any understanding/knowledge of the truth
> > > requires an appropriate language applied to patterns
> > > that we suspect operate in certain repeating ways.
> > > Hence, all knowledge is a human creation, therefore it
> > > is utterly fallible, and subject to all the epistemological problems
> > > the post modernists suggests. However, the truth remains.
> > > We can test our knowledge against nature, even though nature
> > > is a very elusive conversational partner. She drives us mad.
> > > We cannot just ask is there a cat behind the wall?
> > > She does not answer that question. We can put some milk
> > > behind the wall and nature will give us an empty saucer back.
> > > We might be on to something. We send some mice in and they
> > > rarely make it back again, etc. We build up theories of entities
> > > (cats) and their behaviour under different controlled conditions.
> > > We name things, we describe patterns, and on we go. It can go very
> > > badly wrong, but we make overall progress. After a while we revise
> > > things and discoveer curious entities, maybe a cat-fish that can also
> swim.
> > > And an entity is only a set of patterns under certain conditions, a
> human
> > > being is a certain way of looking at the patterns of a particular
> > > configuration of molecules, and that again as patterns of atoms, or
> going
> > > the other way certain organic material becomes a human and then gets
fed
> > > back to bacteria and round the food chain pattern it goes. All
different
> > > levels of patterns, all exhibiting the most amazing fullness of
> potential,
> > > from quantum particles to become atoms, to become suns, to become
> > > molecules, to become seas, to become plants, to become food, to become
> > > animals, to become a horse and cart, to become human, to become
writing,
> to
> > > become music, to become emotions, etc etc ...
> > >
> > > Agree/disagree?
> > >
> > > regards
> > > David M
> > >
> > >
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