Re: MD Time

From: David MOREY (
Date: Sat Feb 21 2004 - 18:02:48 GMT

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    I think this metaphor has something to say
    about the past, and how it is something actual
    and static that you can try to understand in terms of analysis
    and patterns, but it misses something about the future.
    Whenever DQ is active, when choices have to be made,
    is not the possibility of the future laid out before us,
    is DQ and choice not a matter of enabling one possibility
    and rejecting all others. I think Pirsig fails to fully analyse
    experience in the way Heidegger does to understand the
    3 different states of time that extend it.

    David M
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Charles Vanderford
      Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:05 AM
      Subject: Re: MD Time

      Sorry, I typed out my original response in about 11 seconds but now that I've got the book here in my hand, and some time, I can give a better answer and quote it directly to you. I own the paperback 25th anniversary edition of ZMM, and the part of it you're looking for is right at the beginning of the afterword. And it wasn't totally accurate to say it was in reference to Chris's murder.

      "This book has a lot to say about ancient Greek perspectives and their meaning but there is one perspective it misses. That is their view of time. They saw the future as something that came upon them from behind their backs with the past receding away before their eyes. When you think about it, who really can face the future? All you can do is project from the past...etc., etc."

      Hope that helps.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Berlin, Brian D."
      Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:17:23 -0600
      Subject: MD Time

      Re: I'm trying to find the source of an idea that I heard or read somewhere.
      Re: I'm thinking it may have been written in Lila, but can't seem to locate
      Re: the passage.
      Re: It described an indian tribe's view of time. For most cultures, people
      Re: envision the future as before them (in front of them) and the past
      Re: behind them. But for this tribe, they envisioned the past to be forward
      Re: of them since they can readily see what has happened. They envisioned
      Re: the future being behind them, as it cannot be seen.
      Re: Does anyone recall if this idea was written in one of Pirsig's books?
      Re: If so, which book and which chapter (if you recall)? Does it ring any
      Re: bells with anyone?
      Re: Thanks!
      Re: Brian Berlin

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