From: Jim Ledbury (jim.ledbury@dsl.pipex.com)
Date: Wed Mar 24 2004 - 11:35:21 GMT
Steve,
According to current cosmology, energy and gravitation are linked. That
is it is possible to create matter together with the appropriate
gravitational field, as long as other conservation laws are met
(electrical charge and so forth).
In fact in string theory, everything is treated as a gravitational field
in a large number of dimensions. The problem of why we observe the
things we do is then a similar but more difficult problem of
understanding why a musical instrument sounds the way it does.
It's a big tenet of cosmology that the overall energy balance of the
universe is zero - i.e. all the matter of the universe came from
'nowhere'. Of course this doesn't explain where the relationships that
we understand as the laws of physics came from, but that is a different
matter.
Regards,
Jim
steve wrote:
>to two cents; In my humble opinion, many of the attributes of matter point
>to it having been created. most obviosly, the principle of thermodanamic
>conservation. Simply put this states that you cannot get something for
>nothing. if for example you want to move a book you must first overcome the
>weight[mass] then any associated friction. Calories will be burned, you will
>need to replace them. All will be precisely accounted for no more no less.
>This holds for dust particles to stars. It is one of the most tested and
>trusted laws of physics.-The universe stands as a huge violation of this
>principle. A single atom would be a huge violation. Since matter has no
>infinite properties it should not ever exist. Not a single particle.
>Infinite nothing for ever and ever Amen. As this is not so it strongly
>suggests a creater. The creater probably does not sit on a throne and
>resemble Santa Clause. To pull off this trick the creater is probably
>infinite.[exactly what he said he was when we were still on speaking
>tearms].I use the tearm he for simplicity.I do not think it's possible for a
>finite mind to grasp the infinite. Hence the problems getting a good hold on
>quality. Steve P. -----
>From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:39 AM
>Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
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>>Hello,
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>>Platt:Just so we're on the same page, I'm using the Webster dictionary
>>definition of faith as "firm belief in something for which there is no
>>proof." My question boils down to: How can faith constitute proof?
>>
>>
>>Me(I): I think that the debate over the existence of a god(s) to be
>>pointless. There is not, and will never be any definite proof of gods
>>existence. Atheists can argue all they want that God does not exist, yet
>>there is no way they can prove this, since god is not a physical being,
>>
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>and
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>>not detectable in any physical realm.
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>>Also, for those who say that god exists, there is no definite proof of
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>gods
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>>existence. If we were to say "What would the world be like, once we
>>subtracted god??" Things would still operate , live, function, etc. in
>>much the same way they do now.
>>
>>Hypothetically speaking, if we were to prove one day, that God does/n't
>>exist, what would that change? Really.....it should not change a thing
>>about how we live our day to day lives. To do something good, just to
>>appease a god, isn't as good as doing something good, for the sake of
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>doing
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>>something good.
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>> ^
>>My 2 cents. ---^
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>>POOT
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