From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Mar 25 2004 - 19:00:39 GMT
Hi
No-propensity not probability as per Popper's book
of that title, I recommend it. Also see Prigogine on
dissipative structures in his End Of Certainty. I know what
you are saying but it is one possibilty, there are now clearly
others in science. No time to expand on this at the moment.
But its DQ/SQ all the way down I think.
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: MD SQ-SQ coherence and the Biosphere.
> David M
>
> > This is wrong I think. See what Anthony says in his thesis
> > about Popper and propensities.
>
> From McWatt's paper: "Popper, when writing about the evolution of species,
> talks of 'preferences of organisms for certain possibilities' thus making
> them propensities . . ."
>
> Popper talks about species and organisms, i.e., life forms, not inorganic
> patterns.
>
> > It seems that all physical
> > systems are a mixture of static patterns and dynamic factors.
> > So the mountain might erode to the east or west, whether it
> > does one or the other is a dynamic matter and unpredicatable,
> > and where there is openness maybe there is choice, perhaps such
> > purposeful openness explains the anthropic problem of this
> > seemingly so well connected cosmos. See what Pirsig says about
> > purpose and causality. I think he has the answers here but fails to
apply
> > them to the inorganic level.
>
> I think what you're describing has more to do with Laws of Probability
> than a response to DQ. We cannot predict who in a large group is going to
> die at a specified time, but we can predict that a certain percentage will
> die at various ages. The life insurance industry is built on this fact.
> Further, just because a specific event is unpredictable (on what side of a
> mountain erosion will occur ) doesn't mean ipso facto that Dynamic Quality
> is at work, especially in light of Pirsig's assertion that only a living
> being can "perceive and adjust" to DQ. As I've suggested before, change by
> itself doesn't imply the presence of or influence of DQ. Lots of static
> patterns involve change, the most widely cited example being a flowing
> river.
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
>
>
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