From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Apr 04 2004 - 04:00:02 BST
Sam, David and all:
Sam said:
In understanding the metaphysics of Quality, there seem to be two competing
conceptions of the relative place of dynamic and static quality.
Conception 1: that Quality is the source, from which dynamic Quality and
static Quality are both derivative aspects, of equal Quality, albeit that
one is a temporal product of the other; and Conception 2: that Dynamic
Quality is the source, and Static Quality is the derivative aspect, so
Dynamic Quality is Qualitatively superior to Static Quality.
I think Conception 1 is correct, whereas DMB thinks Conception 2 is correct,
and that difference, I believe, underlies much of our disagreement re
religion and mysticism.
dmb says:
This reminded me of this thread so much that I've bent the rules and
imported part of Sam's INTRODUCTION to some questions proposed for the other
forum. Forgive me, Horse, for I have sinned - sort of. Sam's actual proposed
questions have been excluded so as to not spoil it should they be elected.
In any case, I hope we can discuss these comments further. I'm on my way
home, but wanted to start with just one small point about conception #1...
If we think of Quality as the mystical reality, as the pre-intellectual and
pre-linguistic undivided reality, then both DQ and sq are derivative
aspects. But this is not because they are lesser than Quality. Its just that
trying to divide the mystical reality into concepts is somewhat degenerate.
Its a lower level trying to capture a higher on. DQ refers to the
pre-intellectual reality, but is itself an intellectual concept. It is in
this sense that it is derivative, as are all thoughts and concepts about the
undivided pre-linguistic reality, including simply "Quality".
In chapter nine Pirsig says:
"Its alright to condemn somebody else's bad metaphysics but you can't
replace it with a metaphysics that consists of just one word. By even using
the term 'Quality' he had already violated the nothingness of mystic
reality."
More later,
dmb
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