From: Bart Scholten (scholten.b@hetnet.nl)
Date: Mon Apr 05 2004 - 22:41:19 BST
Hello Dan and others,
I noticed the rules after I had used the html format. Should be back to text
now.
Enjoyed reading Bodvar's Qualtiy Event and was impressed by the enormous
amount of literature he must have been consuming! My compliments to him.
Still there are a number of views I do not quit agree with, specifically
with regards to culture, I will com back to that when I have thought more
about it.
In this context I want to mention that I notice some biasing in the current
discussions toward personal and cultural views. This to me is confusing
since it takes us away from the basics of MOQ.
If the intellectual level is an evolutionary phase, how come it has not
evolved more and how come that early cultures that had a high degree of
intellect have vanished completely, did these cultures not have enough
quality?
What also still puzzles me is where the personal quality perception should
be placed. I myself regard Norway as having higher quality than The
Netherlands, after having lived there for almost 10 years.
So some expressions of Quality are personally biased and some are culturally
bound, right? How can we overcome this limitation. Dynamic Quality certainly
does not have these limitations I can see that, but where do we go from
there?
In order to move MOQ forward in the same way as e.g. Einsteins relativity
theory, it has to have universal value and should not be limited by cultural
interpretations or biases, therefore my nagging about culture.
Regards
Bart
> Hi Bart and everyone
>
> Could I ask you to please use plain text when replying to moq.org. Your HTML
> is hard for me to read and it's also against the forum rules.
>
> Your questions may have seemed ignorant to some people but not to me. I
> thought them good questions or I wouldn't have taken time to answer -- I
> don't feel the need to discuss the absurd. I've no education in philosophy
> either, never mind the book I put together.
>
> I think you'll enjoy reading Bodvar's and Anthony's work. Though I've read
> Anthony's MOQ Textbook I haven't had the chance to study it as it deserves.
> It is a very significant piece of work.
>
> Your mathematical algorithm analogy reminds me of the part in Lila about
> causality: 'A causes B' becomes 'B values precondition A' in the MOQ, so if
> I understand you right, it sounds spot on.
>
> Thank you for your reply,
>
> Dan
>
>> From: Bart Scholten <scholten.b@hetnet.nl>
>> Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>> To: moq <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>> Subject: Re: MD cultural level??
>> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 15:14:17 +0200
>>
>> Hello Dan and others,
>>
>> Thanks for your answers. Also being new to this list, my questions may seem
>> ignorant. I have no education in philosophy, being a computer engineer with
>> interest in literature and now it looks like philosophy as well. I have
>> printed Bodvarıs essay The Quality Event and will read that (in Norwegian)
>> as well as Anthony McWattıs Text book.
>> In the answer you gave me Dan (and the previous night thinking about the
>> subject) I recognize an analogy with a mathematical algorithm, where the
>> outcome (shape of curve or object) of the algorithm (the components being
>> social and intellectual patterns) is dependant on the values assigned to
>> each of the components of the algorithm. I am not sure where this leads to,
>> it just stroke me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bart Scholten
>>
>> At the risk of ruining your reading: Lila's Child, annotation #28, RMP
>> writes: "For precision, I would say a culture contains social and
>> intellectual values, but not biological or inorganic." Annotation #47
>> reads:
>> "I think a culture should be defined as social patterns plus intellectual
>> patterns." So it's not that there's a level above social and intellectual
>> levels but rather, according to the MOQ, those levels together can be
>> viewed
>> as culture.
>>
>
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