From: Bart Scholten (scholten.b@hetnet.nl)
Date: Tue Apr 06 2004 - 21:57:29 BST
Hello Mark,
Many thanks for helping me on the way. I have now also printed the textbook
by Anthony McWatt. Your explanations do help. for the next days and weeks I
will be reading a lot. I do like the term tension, it feels right.
Being educated in Œexact¹ math I still have the tendency to Œmeasure¹ and
label the world around me. Also I am quit fresh on these topics as I only
read ZMM and Lila last year for the first time. I look forward to expanding
my knowledge on the subject.
Regards,
Bart
> Hello Dan and others,
>
> In this context I want to mention that I notice some biasing in the current
> discussions toward personal and cultural views. This to me is confusing
> since it takes us away from the basics of MOQ.
>
> Mark 6-4-04: Hello Bart, It may help if you consider two points:
> 1. You may wish to consider what 'you' are in MoQ terms more carefully?
> 2. What culture is in MoQ terms more carefully?
> With regard to 1 'you' are composed of four static repertoires of patterns
> evolving in response to DQ. Culture, (2) is merely the sum total of all these
> repertoires. Therefore, tensions in the total repertoire may be viewed from an
> evolutionary perspective.
>
> Bart:
> If the intellectual level is an evolutionary phase, how come it has not
> evolved more and how come that early cultures that had a high degree of
> intellect have vanished completely, did these cultures not have enough
> quality?
>
> Mark 6-4-04: Evolution in MoQ terms is value evolution, and forms a continuum
> which is not limited to Humans. Thus, intellectual patterns of evolution can
> survive their initial evolutionary emergence (through literature, etc.).
> 'Cultures' come and go, but Intellectual and social patterns transcend. It is
> the Quality of these patterns which survive.
>
> Bart:
> What also still puzzles me is where the personal quality perception should
> be placed. I myself regard Norway as having higher quality than The
> Netherlands, after having lived there for almost 10 years.
>
> Mark 6-4-04: Your personal repertoire of patterns evolves in a continuum
> within which there may be found tensions. The total is all the while evolving
> in a relationship with DQ. But your repertoire of patterns IS to some extent
> relationally immersed in a web of SQ-SQ tensions.
>
> Bart:
> So some expressions of Quality are personally biased and some are culturally
> bound, right?
>
> Mark 6-4-04: Culture is not a value level of its own. In MoQ terms it would be
> better if you considered the nature of Intellectual and social patterns
> instead?
>
> Bart:
> How can we overcome this limitation. Dynamic Quality certainly
> does not have these limitations I can see that, but where do we go from
> there?
>
> Mark 6-4-04: What may at first appear to be a limitation can dissolve within a
> broader format? The MoQ provides this broader format:
> An answer may be to consider static repertoire. All your intellectual patterns
> form a total static repertoire which is evolving in relation to DQ. Your
> repertoire is constantly changing and evolving - sometimes assimilating
> patterns from literature, people, the internet, etc. - sometimes rearranging
> the repertoire in bricolage fashion - maybe at other times being genuinely
> creative and developing new patterns.
> This same process may be repeated for the other levels also, with diminishing
> evolutionary acceleration - the lower levels evolve far more slowly than do
> the higher ones.
>
> Bart:
> In order to move MOQ forward in the same way as e.g. Einsteins relativity
> theory, it has to have universal value and should not be limited by cultural
> interpretations or biases, therefore my nagging about culture.
>
> Mark 6-4-04: When the MoQ is assimilated into the sum total of the
> intellectual static repertoire and socially approved, then the MoQ will have,
> in effect, become what may be said to be the dominant cultural intellectual
> perspective.
> We should avoid using the term 'culture' i feel, as this is better explained
> in the MoQ vocabulary by considering the four levels of value evolution.
>
> Regards
> Bart
>
> All the best,
> and i hope you do not mind my trying to help Bart?
> Mark
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