From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Fri Apr 16 2004 - 22:38:11 BST
Dear Dave S.,
Welcome on this list. From your credentials and sketch of the possible role
of the MoQ in the philosophical landscape, your contributions will be very
welcome.
Yes, the similarities between Wilber and Pirsig have been noted before on
this list. Appreciation of Wilber varies between different contributors to
the discussion about his ideas. I could direct you to archive items
(accessible via www.moq.org) devoted to these discussions if you want.
You're not the only one who thinks Wilber's theories superior to Pirsig's.
Personally, I see Wilber's ideas (from what I understood from reading a
Dutch book summarizing his ideas in some 380 pages) as complementary to
Pirsig's ideas, more specifically: not as directly comparable to Pirsig's
levels of value, but as a subdivision of Pirsig's intellectual level.
The intellectual level, according to Pirsig in his annotations to 'Lila's
Child', is the same as 'mind' and can be defined as 'the collection and
manipulation of symbols, created in the brain, that stand for patterns of
experience'. Intellectual patterns of value reflect everything, 'from matter
to life ... to spirit' into 'mind'. Wilber's 'evolution of consciousness' is
in my view 'intellectual evolution' projected back into the past before the
intellectual level had emerged. These early phases of Wilber's 'evolution of
consciousness' are very speculative in my view and less relevant than the
later ones. 'Lila's Child' is a published summary of the discussions in the
early years of this discussion list.
Yes, some contributors to this list communicate with Pirsig by letters. Some
of these letters have been published on www.moq.org . The latest one
mentioned in this list was a letter from Pirsig to Paul Turner, which Paul
included in his contribution of 29 Sep 2003 16:52:03 +0100.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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