From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sun Apr 25 2004 - 19:20:47 BST
On 24 April 2004 2:57 PM DMB, quoting Wilber, writes
dmb says:
It seems that a number of posters are interested in the future of religion
and I think Pirisg's MOQ can help us imagine it. Even better is Ken Wilber's
THE MARRIAGE OF SENSE AND SOUL. The subtitle is "Integrating Science and
Religion". Not only does it address the issue in detail, it does so from a
perspective that parallels and supports the MOQ. Here he boldly expresses
the same basic idea that Mark and the two Daves have expressed...
> "...most of those premodern beliefs and functions of religion are no
longer
> sustainable in modern consciousness (except among those who remain at a
> premodern level of development). Mythology will not stand up to the
> irreversible differentiations of modernity; it confuses prerational with
> transrational; it fosters regressive ethical and cognitive modes; it hides
> from any sort of validity claims and actual evidence; and thus avoiding
> truth, is left only with power as one of its prime motives. ..This is why
> the Enlightenment, as Habermas points out, always understood itself as a
> COUNTERFORCE TO MYTHOLOGY. The clarion call of the Enlightenment was for
> EVIDENCE, not for myths..." Emphasis and parenthetical info is Wilber's.
Hi DMB, and all,
joe: DMB, I have always considered you the champion of mystical experience!
Thank You!
I do not consider SOUL to be mystical experience. It seems to be a pattern
of SOM. IMO marriage is a mystical union, not just a social contract. What
do I consider mystical? At the marriage feast of Cana, the water changing
to wine was mystical understanding, wine, coherence, replacing the pattern,
water, knowledge, static. (I accept that an excess of wine leads to
incoherence.) IMO The MOQ accepts dq as mystical experience.
Why worry about: "The clarion call of the Enlightenment was for EVIDENCE,
not for myths?" Maybe Wilber is standing on his pulpit. He is not so much
interested in mystical experience, as dogma.
Joe
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