From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu Jun 17 2004 - 09:22:04 BST
Dear Platt,
You wrote 12 Jun 2004 10:16:02 -0400:
'Pirsig's ... distinction [between the social and intellectual levels] is
the force of tradition vs creative thought. Mine is the power of the
collective vs. freedom of the individual.'
Do I detect a claim to have improved on Pirsig's ideas? (-;
My interpretation of Pirsig's ideas is to associate 'tradition' with
'collective habits' and to underline that 'creative' is only applicable when
looking at the intellectual level from a social level point of view. Seen
from within the intellectual level only new intellectual patterns of value
are 'creative'. Pirsig gives enough examples of very static intellectual
patterns of value.
How does your distinction between 'power of the collective' and 'freedom of
the individual' square with the requisite that levels be (relatively)
discrete in the MoQ? In my view one cannot experience 'power of the
collective' without experiencing (lack of) 'freedom of the individual' and
vice versa. In other words: it is experience of the same kind, comparable
(even if conflicting) and thus of the same level.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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