Oh fer crying out loud, I have endured this argument for as long as I
can without saying something. I'm not saying that anyone is wrong, and I'm
sure not saying that some interesting points haven't been made. But you are
all overlooking something so obvious that its like Gilda Radner ranting on
and on and then saying "nevermind".
Let's backtrack. Pirsig didn't build the MOQ around mysticism, he built
it on top of mysticism. (If you will recall ZAMM, pg. 315, 3rd paragraph.)
The peyote experience stripped away the "cultural immune systems" he had
been building up all his life and let him see the root of all of his
previous Classical thought; The basic awe man has had for the world around
him since the dawn of time. The Mythos. This was the grain of sand around
which the MOQ was formed; the appreciation of all that is elemental and
dynamic in a world that never stops changing. Quality, if you will.
-Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: <skutvik@online.no>
To: <moq_focus@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 3:25 AM
Subject: Re:MF Mystic to the bitter end
> Jaap and MOQ Foci.
> A few posts back you asked about the place of mysticism in the
> MOQ. I wrote a reply, but dropped it trying not to proceed too fast.
> Now you touch upon it again and I'll drop a quick note on it.
>
> You wrote:
>
> > David wrote
> > >Does anyone else see Pirsig putting mysticism at
> > > the center of the MOQ, or is it just me? But seriously,...
>
> > This is something I agree with fully. As you can read my bio the
> > first reason MOQ interests me is the space it has for mysticism and
> > "occult" theories.
>
> > I remember some months ago someone (Denis ?) asked "... if moq is of
> > a higher level (than the intellectual), why than am I not shining
> > like a Budha to all the intellectuals in the gutter ? ... " When you
> > do not see the mystic part of moq you only understand moq (i.e. from
> > intellectual level down) but as I stated before you have to believe
> > in moq before "understanding" it completely. When you "understand"
> > also the mystic part completely your intellect WILL shine like a
> > Budha; I know this is a very dangerous statement but I hope there is
> > someone out there to see it also. If you don't call my a lunatic or
> > something.
>
> "Occultism" (!!) seen from the MOQ is something that has missed
> our agenda completely, but it was the sententence ....if moq is of a
> higher level (than the intellectual) why am I not shining like a
> Buddha...and so on .... that struck me. Haven't you noticed my
> effort to see subject/object-metaphysics as the intellectual level?
> Something that immediately makes the MOQ a "higher level". This
> means that the mysticism we spot from intellect is DYNAMIC
> QUALITY, but will eventually crystallize into a STATIC level
> (=existence seen in the moq light)
>
> So rest assured Jaap, someone ...out here... also sees it. You're
> definitely not lunatic.
>
> Bo
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