Re: MF defining the Giant

From: Magnus Berg (McMagnus@hem.passagen.se)
Date: Tue May 09 2000 - 20:01:51 BST


Hi Bo

> does it mean that you have changed your mind about this? Just
> curious.

No way! (And that was not Norway misspelled. :)

> Ok, beehives are societies, but why re-make them (and human
> cities and countries) into biology again by invoking the Giant
> image?

They never left biology in the first place, so there's no need
to re-make them. Just because we declare beehives to be societies
doesn't mean we take away their biological value.

> The imagination is fine, but it has no special MOQ significance
> IMHO.

To me, the Giant tells me quite a lot about the nature and relationships
between the levels. It tells me that people specializes into doing different
useful things for the Giant just as the cells in me are specialized to do
their job, and just as the bees and ants are specialized. And all of us are
specialized because it has social value for our Giant. It tells me that it
doesn't matter whether we're able to see this or not, it's still plain old
social quality. Sometimes, the Giant is a regular PITA, like for Marco's
friend, and a level fight arises. But most of the time, it's reliable and
comforting.

This remarkable analogy also tells me that since we are Giants, but also
parts of a larger Giant, social patterns can be used to build larger social
patterns. I can't fit this analogy into the MoQ in any other way, and it's
too exact to be dismissed.

        Magnus

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