Hi Swati, Bodvar and Mfers,
First of all i would like to thank the "driving forces" behind
moq.org which i gather are chiefly Diana and Horse , for this
oppertunity to express myself which has helped me tremendously
not only to get another enhanced glimpse of Reality but which
has also enhanced my sense of freedom and to know myself better.
Posting at moq.org has helped me to focus more and more on that which
is Worthwhile for me personally and i hope for others on this forum.
While my viewpoints may differ from others on several issues,
i consider the "contrary" as a "worthy adversary" in a worthwhile
battle in which we all learn. I think Bodvar and Rick should
interpret this as a compliment.
Thanks for your responses to my posts Bodvar , i think there are
no broad areas of disagreements between us , but of cource my
interpretation of MOQ does differ from yours in some ways,
particularly the technicalities, and any language statement is
after all a static latch.
Swati You wrote:
>....though I think another way to think about it would be to think of the
>'moral force' as static and 'intelligence' as dynamic
Although i too am relatively new to this forum i take this as
an oppertunity to welcome you as well as thank you for your
response.
I avoided the use of these words static & dynamic in my summation because
I think we get caught up in the literal meaning of words, whereas in
any evolving metaphysics , an allegorical interpretation is called for
else the metaphysics tends towards becoming a sort of religion of
fixed beliefs.
I therefore hold that DQ is the moral force ,the QUality of freedom
and SQ as intellegence, the Quality of order.
However there are many ways to interpret the MOQ, and thats why
I recoginise that MOQ has a general purpose design.
Now static and dynamic are two key words in MOQ, by themselves they
mean :(dictionary meaning)
Static - Having no motion, standing still. Stable. Unchanging.
[derived from greek word "statos" meaning standing]
Dynamic - concerned with force, forceful. Of or relating to energy
or to objects in motion. Marked by continuous change or
activity. Marked by intensity and vigour, forceful.
[derived from greek word "dunamis" meaning Power!]
Now for the sake of argument we can say that a piece of rock can
from one point of view be considered as static according to the
above meaning of the word, but a physicist can well argue that
the rock consists of atoms , which consist of particles that
have the most complex dynamic behavior that is itself uncertain.
So from another point of view a rock can said to be as dynamic
as anything else in the universe.
>From a stock brokers point of view the NY stock exchange is the
most dynamic place on earth , but from a Mystics PoV it could
well appear to be the most degenerate activity and therefore
the most static place on earth.
My point is that in the MOQ these are words that acquire an
altogether new meaning when attached with the word Quality.
Thus Dynamic Quality should mean that component of Quality
that moves or changes or forces (Dynamic Morals or Dynamic Value).
And Static Quality should mean that component of Quality that
is unchanging (relatively speaking)(ie Static Morals or Static Value)
And Pirsig clarifies :
>Although Dynamic Quality the quality of freedom creates this
>world in which we live ,these patterns of static quality, the
>quality of order ,preserve our world. Neither static nor Dynamic
>Quality can survive without the other. LILA page 146
Now I am quite sure that Bill Gates will say Intellegence is
DQ but the Dalai Lama will say that the moral force is DQ! I
guess both are Right from the PoV of their cultural constructs.
So much for terminology.( If you check the July posts you will
find more on this issue )
Let me clarify my position further by saying that the moral
force although manifest dynamically, has a fundamental static
component to it and intellegence can similarly be split into
dynamic intellegence and static intellegence.
>perhaps that is shy the come into conflict when intelligence moves forward
>so fast that morality ( the static pattern) has to change ( for the
>good/truth if all goes well!) for them both to 'move in the same
>direction'.
Yes! When intellegence moves too fast, it does not realise that it has
left moral evolution far behind , and not knowing that it heads towards
moral degeneration and eventual self-destruction, although I refuse to
believe that this is inevitable.
Hope you found it useful.
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