Hi Marco
I greatly enjoyed reading your last post a few days ago. I think we do have
the same idea about what a Quality Event is and the DQ/SQ split.
I particulary liked your correction:
> MARCO:
> Here there's a little disagreement. I would say that your ideas were
> dynamic while in your head they were forming... then they are static but
> also interact dynamically with the readers. They are DQ and SQ
> simultaneously. When the reader perceive them, at the moment of cutting
> edge of perception, they are dynamic. In fact, I perceive their dynamic
> side. What do you think?
Touché! Excuse my french but I agree 100%, apologies for my dizzy words.
Regarding your definitions of the levels, (which by no means should come
in a PS :), I value them highly.
> I repeat mine. Is there someone who wants discuss these?
Me, Me!
> - A level is a level of experience.
Yepp!
> - The split of experience into four levels is a Pirsig's intellectual
> trick. If it's good, it matches reality.
Yo!
> - Every level is identified by:
> a. A BASIC VALUE
> b. A "CLASS" OF STATIC PATTERNS MADE OF THE SAME BASIC VALUE
This is a tough one to really grasp. The words "MADE OF" are often mistaken
to be more in the lines of "COMPOSED OF" instead of "THAT REQUIRES".
If you read "COMPOSED OF", you actually see matter as the only thing reality
is ultimately "MADE OF".
But if we change it to "REQUIRES", we can free ourselves a bit from the matter
bond and see other connections.
For example, the "COMPOSED OF" meaning causes us to think that the only way to
rise to higher levels is to get bigger. Animals are bigger than atoms, societies
are bigger than animals, but then the strange thing happens and we can't really
see why the intellectual level is a natural extension of the social.
Change it back to "REQUIRES" again and we see that the only thing we do when
we're attaching two entities together to form one larger entity is that we have
build a society out of two biological components. The scale is not of interest!
A cell is "MADE OF" a cell core and a cell membrane, neither the core nor the
membrane would make it on their own. All such cooperative things were drawn
together by biological value but after a while, they can't survive without
the other. Biological quality have initiated the birth of the social level.
I have said this many times before but it was some time ago now. The thing is,
I don't see any metaphysical difference at all between an animal and a city, or
a country. Both are social patterns "MADE OF" many parts responsible for different
duties. Each part - heart, fire brigade, stomach, school, liver, hospital etc. -
are just smaller biological parts that are attached because it's socially more
valuable.
Magnus
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