Re: MF Definition of level

From: elephant (elephant@plato.plus.com)
Date: Wed Jan 24 2001 - 20:44:08 GMT


Magnus, Marco,

Just like to add a parliamentry 'hear hear' to the correction that Magnus
liked:
>
>
> I particulary liked your correction:
>
>> MARCO:
>> Here there's a little disagreement. I would say that your ideas were
>> dynamic while in your head they were forming... then they are static but
>> also interact dynamically with the readers. They are DQ and SQ
>> simultaneously. When the reader perceive them, at the moment of cutting
>> edge of perception, they are dynamic. In fact, I perceive their dynamic
>> side. What do you think?
>
> Touché! Excuse my french but I agree 100%, apologies for my dizzy words.

ELEPHANT:
That's quite right: we shouldn't forget that while certain patterns are
called 'static' precisely because they have a static identity, the context
in which they are experienced is a dynamic one. In the interpretive line
that I've been pushing, this means that the dynamic is the mystically real,
and that language has to be experienced as part of that dynamic in order to
have any mystical reality, but that at the same time language is an attempt
by the intellect to grasp (or create) an order, something with static
identities, that can serve as the referents for statements of practical
reasoning. So language itself is dynamic, but linguistic entities are
static.

I really don't think that's confused in any way.

MAGNUS ALSO WROTE:
> I have said this many times before but it was some time ago now. The thing is,
> I don't see any metaphysical difference at all between an animal and a city,
> or
> a country. Both are social patterns "MADE OF" many parts responsible for
> different
> duties. Each part - heart, fire brigade, stomach, school, liver, hospital etc.
> -
> are just smaller biological parts that are attached because it's socially more
> valuable.

ELEPHANT:
I agree, and I also think that's why Plato think's useful in the Republic to
discuss politics (justice in the city) as a metaphor for morals (justice in
the man). In both cases it's the relation of the parts to the whole and to
what's valuable that is at issue.

Elephant

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