Andy said:
,
<Quality turns out to be no subject and no object. Remember the "Every
<last bit of it" statement, in which he simultaneously knew that he was
speaking the truth and yet had concerns about
<how such statements could be taken? I know that I need not quote to you
here, as we are hardly speaking of some
<"sacred scriptures." His thinking was beyond classical logic at the initial
realization of "Quality," which is indivisible by
<his own assertion.
<To respond more directly to the subject at hand, the question is not a
question. Quality is Quality. Subject and object are
<artificial. Quality is that upon which everything depends (or is coincident
with.) It is not divisible. It is beyond subject and
<object, or any formulations thereof. Please remember Mr.Pirsig's exposition
on Joshu's "Mu!".
<So why concern ourselves with such questions as "static/dynamic" and
"subject/object"? There are no truths to be
<found here. Unask the question!
<There is no Method of Quality, only Quality itself. "All of it! Every last
bit of it!"
I agree. The subject/object or static/dynamic split merely represent what
we think and say about Quality; as soon as we speak about it, we step into
the static world of explanations. The way I understand it, Quality can be
experienced, but not described 'as it is' - any description attempts to 'pin
Quality down', which cannot be done. It seems to me that our language is
dominated by SOM, and, at least on the biological level, our brains like to
sort, organize and describe, which adds to the difficulty of speaking about
these issues.
If this is true, than the MOQ, like any other explanation, lies 'outside'
Quality, as it is attempting to explain the unexplainable, as Pirsig alluded
to in the beginning of Lila.
But that is not the question for this month. The question(s) are about how
the MOQ responds to the subject/object split within SOM, so the question of
how this relates to Quality never comes up - the questions relate to the MOQ
as an explanation, not as Quality itself. I agree that the whole concept of
a Metaphysics of Quality may be misguided, but that is not what we are
discussing this month.
marty j
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