Dear MF-contributors,
Dave (3WD) and I have had a bit of a discussion on
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheMetaphysicsOfQuality (a start of a MoQ
overview document page. The discussion itself has been edited
away, meanwhile, only the results remain.
To me it seems worth trying to put summaries of MF or MD threads
on a wiki-page. Everyone can edit them, but I think the one who
started the thread (and/or who creates the wiki-page) should feel
most responsible for doing so. If these summaries are also sent
to MF or MD, they won't get lost if someone happens to delete the
whole wiki-page (which seems never to happen, by the way). Being
Dutch, the possibility to edit even off-line (to save on
telephone costs) is very attractive too ...
With friendly greetings,
Wim
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: 3dwavedave <dlt44@ipa.net>
Aan: moq_focus@moq.org <moq_focus@moq.org>
Datum: woensdag 16 januari 2002 19:48
Onderwerp: Re: MF LIST STUFF
Jonathan, Horse, all
Jonathan
> I just realized the real problem with the lists as
latching tools . .
> . They don't have an ERASE mechanism. Erasing is critical
if we are
> going to produce anything coherent from all our ramblings.
Absolutely right. Evolving from dynamic conversation to
coherent,
stable, latched conclusions requires revising, polishing, and
editing
which is very difficult in list server type e-mailing. Which
is while I
am taken by Joel suggestion of using a Wiki site to
accomplish this. The
software is/was designed to do just exactly that. Move from
the "thread"
discussion mode to a "document" mode over a period of time.
Branching
out to other threads, definitions, lists, and such easily all
the while
providing an automatic or semi automatic structure to retrace
and tie it
all together.(and a great deal of this is done by the user) I
found an
open to the public site by the guy who originated the
concept, Ward
Cunningham, that already had a ZaMM page and a Robert Pirsig
page. Just
to see well how it actually worked I went on and created four
new pages.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LilaAnInquiryintoMorals - a book
review type page
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheMetaphysicsOfQuality - a start of a
MoQ
overview document page.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AlexanderPirsigConnection - Since this
is site
primarily inhabited by software types who hold the work of
Christopher
Alexander in high esteem, and his philosophy parallels
somewhat Pirsig's
I thought this was a place I could contribute.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ThirdWaveDave - A user or bio page-
used by some
as a place for one on on conversations off topic. Lists of
pages edited
(refactored in Wiki language), Favorite pages, or links are
also
sometimes used.
I started the first on January 13 after about a half hour of
surfing the
site and downloading the formatting page. Over the last
three days I've
gone to the site, when checking e-mail, and created the rest
probably
with a total time of a little over an hour. These are just
attempts at
documents or statements of my opinions. No one on the site
has commented
or objected to anything I've said so far.
Anyplace ZaMM or Lila or Pirsig are mentioned
(InTheWikiFormat)on this
site these pages are automatically linked to the ones I
create. Now I'm
moving around the pages on the "Quality" pages on the site
and making
minor edits to link these pages to the pages I created. For
instance:
On the What is Quality Page I found this'
" Philosophers have been arguing about the nature of quality
for most of
recorded history. RobertPirsig sent himself nuts trying to
nail this one
down in
ZenAndTheArtOfMotorcycleMaintenance."
to which I added this:
[But he eventually regained his sanity and wrote
LilaAnInquiryintoMorals in which he developed
TheMetaphysicsOfQuality
ThirdWaveDave ]
So Jonathan (or anybody else) if you wish to use an eraser or
the chalk
go there and check it out.
3WD
PS: Though this site encourages using real names as wiki
names and
signing your comments in the thread mode. I had to use my AKA
because
there, like in life, were already a bunch of real people with
my real
name.
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