Hallo everybody,
My name is Jaap and I joined the mf just before the release of this month's
topic.
As far as I see there are two problems being discussed at the moment first,
the nature-nurture or free will-determenism if you like and second the
causation problem.
nature-nurture
As I see it you could translate the nature-nurture problem to the following
question: is the third level created by the second level or by DQ (the child
will value it's parents/upbringers third level as DQ) ? For this question
"both" is an accurate answer: the 2d level will never become more dynamicly
on his own but DQ can't create a 3d level without a 2d level to start from.
This relation between DQ and SQ in common is pointed out by Pirsig already.
free will-determenism
I think the answer for this problem is the same: both. Determenism only sees
SQ but pure free will would be DQ. Now according to moq every action or
decision originates from a combination of SQ and DQ.
causation
In reference to the causation problem I like the creation as put forward by
Tor, only I would call it re-creation. When I read his mail I had to think
immediatly of Zeno and Leibniz. In answer to the four axioma's of Zeno
Leibniz concluded that the only way to explain movement is that God
re-creates all things in every moment, he called this the idea of
trans-creatio. When you replace this god by Quality
(i.e. a combination of DQ and SQ) you have your world as an interaction of
SQ and DQ.
When you insist to have a causation you can say everything is caused by an
interaction of SQ and DQ.
When you say (as I do) that in the moq there is no causation you can say
that the combination of SQ and DQ in a certain moment is valued by a new
moment and thus a new combination.
B values A = newDQ + newSQ values DQ + SQ
For so far
Greetings,
Jaap
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